Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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The issue with that is that when you read online about other services, you often need referral from the GP so it is catch 22. You have to go back to them to open up the door to other services which are now swamped as well.

At least we had a few weeks of "normality" over the summer but if it's going to be another longterm lockdown it may be easier just to find a drug problem and be spaced out the whole time. It wouldn't surprise me if lots of people have turned to drugs and booze :(
I fear you may be right. A lot of people have said they've been drinking a lot more.
 

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Just to clarify, I agree (and hope) that the restrictions are having an affect....the regional tier threes were before the National lockdown by all accounts. I was saying if they end up having to apply further/stricter measures I would start to question, the effectiveness of some of the measures currently implemented.

Ps it’s a bit more than people not being able to go to the pub though shmmeee ! (As detailed in previous posts).
Yeah I know. I’m just disappointed at the attitude generally. Trying to work out ways round the rules, making ridiculous complaints about minor inconveniences.

I guess that makes me harsher towards legitimate grievances.
 

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The issue with that is that when you read online about other services, you often need referral from the GP so it is catch 22. You have to go back to them to open up the door to other services which are now swamped as well.

At least we had a few weeks of "normality" over the summer but if it's going to be another longterm lockdown it may be easier just to find a drug problem and be spaced out the whole time. It wouldn't surprise me if lots of people have turned to drugs and booze :(
IAPT is self referral I believe. When I used them I never went to my GP (who’s answer to anything is “lose weight and exercise more”)

 
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5 day free for all at Christmas could mean 25 days extra restrictions according to the news.
 

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This is exactly how I think it will go down. It’s out there in the media for a reason.
I said that the chief exec at one of the local councils was suggesting a couple of weeks ago that we'd be 'let out' for Christmas, then shut away again until the end of February. Looks like this has been in the works for a while.

Personally I'd rather be shut up for Christmas, and have less restrictions sooner, afterwards. I suppose that very probably makes me the minority however but... I wouldn't fancy being one of the people in contact with those venturing out to do their shopping etc straight after this all pans out.
 
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I said that the chief exec at one of the local councils was suggesting a couple of weeks ago that we'd be 'let out' for Christmas, then shut away again until the end of February. Looks like this has been in the works for a while.

Personally I'd rather be shut up for Christmas, and have less restrictions sooner, afterwards. I suppose that very probably makes me the minority however but... I wouldn't fancy being one of the people in contact with those venturing out to do their shopping etc straight after this all pans out.
I agree. I personally couldn't give a fuck about christmas and I'm working all the days we are "free" anyway.
 

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I said that the chief exec at one of the local councils was suggesting a couple of weeks ago that we'd be 'let out' for Christmas, then shut away again until the end of February. Looks like this has been in the works for a while.

Personally I'd rather be shut up for Christmas, and have less restrictions sooner, afterwards. I suppose that very probably makes me the minority however but... I wouldn't fancy being one of the people in contact with those venturing out to do their shopping etc straight after this all pans out.
Lockdown on valentines day sweet
 

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Can people still go on holiday?

In the paper about Mel Sykes travelling to Italy to see her toyboy. How the fuck does that work?
From 5 November to 2 December 2020, travelling away from home, including internationally, is restricted from England except in limited circumstances such as for work or for education.

The FCDO advises against all but essential travel to the whole of Italy based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks.
If you are returning to the UK from Italy, you will need to self-isolate on your return (unless you are exempt).
 

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Quite a big drop in cases today and even a reduction in admittances, hopefully a sign of things starting to turn. Residual infection rates will be high for a while though so be silly to come out of this lockdown until they're down.
 

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We were frustratingly close from suppressing it to a proper low last time out though, would have probably only taken a couple more weeks. That could have given us more leeway this time out, made it far easier to relax for Christmas.

Wouldn't you say a bit longer / tougher restriction in exchange for releasing them for longer / releasing more restrictions is a fair exchange?

It'd be pretty careless to open everything up early for Christmas if the consequence of that was we all shut down forever and a day afterwards, wouldn't it?
No I still have to go to work in a COVID factory and having everything else shut makes things twice as miserable. At least give me something to be cheerful about. The right answer was of course close schools but we are past the point of no return there
 
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Quite a big drop in cases today and even a reduction in admittances, hopefully a sign of things starting to turn. Residual infection rates will be high for a while though so be silly to come out of this lockdown until they're down.
Good news overall, though it’s still transmitting at different paces across the country. West Mids unfortunately one of the worst (although fingers crossed starting to level off/improve). The tier system was working by all accounts (certainly those in T3*). If anything the call for a national lockdown led to a bit of a (last hurrah) spike in non T3 areas. Not surprised from what I saw in Birmingham (T2)

Sages numbers again questionable at best. I’m all for trusting scientists but not based on some modelling guesswork with limited/no evidence released about high transmission in certain settings/locations*. The scientists will dig us out of this mess with a vaccine.....the scientific modellers on the other hand ?! (Will be interesting to see BBC2s programme tonight about first lockdown).

With all the information/options hopefully now at their finger tips why can’t we at least have the following:

Hospital capacity per region (percentage compared to normal) - to help encourage those is high transmission areas to follow guidelines/measures
ICU capacity per region (percentage compared to normal) - see above
Regular asymptomatic testing for those working in care homes and those due to be around elderly/elderly relatives (rather than moonshoting everyone !)
If it’s spiking in regions ‘advise’ people not to visit/be cautious visiting elderly relatives ie shield them - only meet outdoors, with face coverings, encourage not to go to shops (provide delivery support) etc
Advise not to visit/leave higher transmission regions during spike

All of the above should be relatively easy to deliver/implement, would help in a tier system and might get proper buy in, because if we are bounced into another lockdown(s) with limited info they’re going to have less and less impact.

Finally, again, great news if things are getting back under control and also positive noises about Oxford vaccine which I guess is great for not just us but the whole world/developing as Oxford/AZ appear not to be seeking to profit from initial circulation of vaccine - something we should be proud of (if correct)

*T3 apparently working and yet gyms, restaurants were still allowed to open.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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This is exactly how I think it will go down. It’s out there in the media for a reason.
I agree. Think I suggested that'll be what'll happen a few weeks ago on here. Extend lockdown a bit longer into Dec (can't do it too long as it's shops main revenue time) have Xmas and New Year opened up more then Jan and possibly part of Feb under tight restrictions and hope we get a mild winter and March gets lots of sun to help reduce the virus.

Of course with the potential vaccines it may not be as bad, but I think the issue with that is getting everyone vaccinated and logistically that's going to take many months.
 

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Infection rates in 10-19, 70-79 and 80+ have risen in the last week - down in all other age groups.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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No I still have to go to work in a COVID factory and having everything else shut makes things twice as miserable. At least give me something to be cheerful about. The right answer was of course close schools but we are past the point of no return there
Why are you working in a factory producing COVID? Stop working and we might be allowed out quicker!

;)
 

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Apparently track and trace says people are catching it most in Supermarkets.
  • Supermarket - 18.3%
  • Secondary school - 12.7%
  • Primary school - 10.1%
  • Hospital - 3.6%
  • Care home - 2.8%
  • College - 2.4%
  • Warehouse - 2.2%
  • Nursery preschool - 1.8%
  • Pub or bar - 1.6%
  • Hospitality - 1.5%
  • University - 1.4%
  • Manufacture engineering - 1.4%
  • Household fewer than five - 1.2%
  • General practice - 1.1%
  • Gym - 1.1%
  • Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%

Huge jump down to Hospital.
 

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Apparently track and trace says people are catching it most in Supermarkets.
  • Supermarket - 18.3%
  • Secondary school - 12.7%
  • Primary school - 10.1%
  • Hospital - 3.6%
  • Care home - 2.8%
  • College - 2.4%
  • Warehouse - 2.2%
  • Nursery preschool - 1.8%
  • Pub or bar - 1.6%
  • Hospitality - 1.5%
  • University - 1.4%
  • Manufacture engineering - 1.4%
  • Household fewer than five - 1.2%
  • General practice - 1.1%
  • Gym - 1.1%
  • Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%

Huge jump down to Hospital.
Like how they split out education into multiple categories. Probably keen to avoid any questions about why they're still open. Total them up and that's 26.6%