Chris Kaba

[Sky Blue Pete]

Wasn't the car known to have been used in a shooting (but they didn't know who was driving).

I think there's a massive difference between an investigation and a murder charge.

Me too

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They knew about his involvement in another shooting and decided not to release information about it. The police officer wasn't given the same level of respect.

Community relations would be a lot better if they didn't make it a race issue every single time.

Where race is still an issue in terms of outcomes and prejudice it’s not a surprise

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They knew about his involvement in another shooting and decided not to release information about it. The police officer wasn't given the same level of respect.

Community relations would be a lot better if they didn't make it a race issue every single time.

Where race is still an issue in terms of outcomes and

They were aware the car was used in a crime. To leave this mans past offences and the fact he was a dangerous member of a notorious gang was not a good idea. Why fear for community relations? Surely any decent member of our community rejoices this filth is dead.

I think because I’m not certain that the same thing would have happened if it was a white man doing the same thing that’s why

 

[rob9872]

Come on Pete. It's that kind of rubbish that does more to stir up division. I know that's not your intention and also that you probably believe it's true, but I'm afraid it's bollocks. There was a clear and present perceived danger in that vehicle and the marksman acted accordingly.

 

[MalcSB]

Where race is still an issue in terms of outcomes and prejudice it’s not a surprise

So very true

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[MalcSB]

Where race is still an issue in terms of outcomes and

I think because I’m not certain that the same thing would have happened if it was a white man doing the same thing that’s why

I think exactly the same thing would have happened if the only difference in circumstances had been that the driver was white.

If you don’t believe that to be the case, I’m not sure how you can agree with a not guilty verdict.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think exactly the same thing would have happened if the only difference in circumstances had been that the driver was white.

If you don’t believe that to be the case, I’m not sure how you can agree with a not guilty verdict.

Why?

 

[MalcSB]

Why?

You are basically suggesting he was shot because he was black,

 

[Macca]

Criminality in certain circles regardless of colour is seen as justifiable and the gangster culture fashionable. Police putting a stop it is seen as unjust hence a copper having a price put on his head for stopping a man who enjoyed a bit of shooting himself driving a lethal weapon at him. Western society like many civilisations before it has peaked and is now gradually degrading. Wrong becomes right and right becomes wrong.

 

[rob9872]

Criminality in certain circles regardless of colour is seen as justifiable and the gangster culture fashionable. Police putting a stop it is seen as unjust hence a copper having a price put on his head for stopping a man who enjoyed a bit of shooting himself driving a lethal weapon at him. Western society like many civilisations before it has peaked and is now gradually degrading. Wrong becomes right and right becomes wrong.

Well I hope Haji Wrong can hit the back of the net!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You are basically suggesting he was shot because he was black,

Ah ok I see your point
I am suggesting that is what members of the community may say and it needs engaging with and pointing out why it’s not true or acknowledging it looks like it is and finding ways for it not to be

 

[MalcSB]

Ah ok I see your point
I am suggesting that is what members of the community may say and it needs engaging with and pointing out why it’s not true or acknowledging it looks like it is and finding ways for it not to be

I’m not sure how difficult is to see that a known gangster, wanted for attempted murder, in charge of a couple of tons of potentially lethal machinery faced by armed policeman might not have foreseen the consequences of his actions.

But hey, he was black.

 

[fernandopartridge]

He has been in and out of prison for years and was likely to be charged with attempted murder.

Its a joke that he has been portrayed as some kind of innocent victim.

You can be a victim of a crime as a criminal

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[Terry_dactyl]

You can be a victim of a crime as a criminal

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I’ve been thinking of Winston Silcott reading through this.

 

[Grendel]

I’ve been thinking of Winston Silcott reading through this.

Why?

 

[rob9872]

Subliminal racism

 

[MalcSB]

Subliminal racism

You are funny

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m not sure how difficult is to see that a known gangster, wanted for attempted murder, in charge of a couple of tons of potentially lethal machinery faced by armed policeman might not have foreseen the consequences of his actions.

But hey, he was black.

Ok so what do we know

Police didn’t know he was a gangster
Police didn’t know he was wanted for attempted murder
They did know he was black

So the question for any researcher is to find similar incidents with white people and see the outcome

Met police have accepted they are institutionally racist

Let me share this IOPC publishes figures on deaths during or following police contact for 2023/24 | Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)

I wasn’t sure what it would show and now I’ve looked I think it shows in terms of armed police that they are remarkably self controlled to the point of utter professionalism

Of the 2 fatal shootings in 2023-24 both were white

These things are good evidence to show how armed police aren’t going round shooting black people

 

[MalcSB]

Ok so what do we know

Police didn’t know he was a gangster
Police didn’t know he was wanted for attempted murder
They did know he was black

So the question for any researcher is to find similar incidents with white people and see the outcome

Met police have accepted they are institutionally racist

Let me share this IOPC publishes figures on deaths during or following police contact for 2023/24 | Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)

I wasn’t sure what it would show and now I’ve looked I think it shows in terms of armed police that they are remarkably self controlled to the point of utter professionalism

Of the 2 fatal shootings in 2023-24 both were white

These things are good evidence to show how armed police aren’t going round shooting black people

Some interesting statistics there:-

Ethnicity:

• of the 24 deaths in or following custody, 21 of the deceased were White, one was Black, one was of Mixed ethnicity, and one was of another ethnicity,
• the two men fatally shot by police were White.
• of the 60 other deaths following police contact the IOPC decided to investigate, 44 people were White, 11 were Black, and five were Asian.
• of the 14 deaths in or following custody where there was use of force, 13 of the deceased were White and one was of Mixed ethnicity.
• of the eight other deaths following police contact which involved use of force, six of the deceased were White and two were Black.

Even more remarkable when stats also show that black people are 2.2 times as likely to be arrested as white people.

 

[Nick]

Ok so what do we know

Police didn’t know he was a gangster
Police didn’t know he was wanted for attempted murder
They did know he was black

So the question for any researcher is to find similar incidents with white people and see the outcome

Met police have accepted they are institutionally racist

Let me share this IOPC publishes figures on deaths during or following police contact for 2023/24 | Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)

I wasn’t sure what it would show and now I’ve looked I think it shows in terms of armed police that they are remarkably self controlled to the point of utter professionalism

Of the 2 fatal shootings in 2023-24 both were white

These things are good evidence to show how armed police aren’t going round shooting black people

They knew the car was flagged as being used in a shooting.
They saw him trying to smash his way out which could have killed their colleagues.
They saw him fail to stop when asked multiple times.

 

[rob9872]

Some interesting statistics there:-

Ethnicity:

• of the 24 deaths in or following custody, 21 of the deceased were White, one was Black, one was of Mixed ethnicity, and one was of another ethnicity,
• the two men fatally shot by police were White.
• of the 60 other deaths following police contact the IOPC decided to investigate, 44 people were White, 11 were Black, and five were Asian.
• of the 14 deaths in or following custody where there was use of force, 13 of the deceased were White and one was of Mixed ethnicity.
• of the eight other deaths following police contact which involved use of force, six of the deceased were White and two were Black.

Even more remarkable when stats also show that black people are 2.2 times as likely to be arrested as white people.

Not disputing the stats, but just for balance on the last point that is per capita and obviously there are a lot more white people than black.

 

[rob9872]

Would also be interesting to see for balance, that of those deaths listed as ethnicity being white, how many were here from Romania, Albania etc

 

[MalcSB]

Would also be interesting to see for balance, that of those deaths listed as ethnicity being white, how many were here from Romania, Albania etc

And Australian, Polish, French, German, Italian, American, Canadian, Spanish, Greek, Serbo-Croat, Belgian, Swiss, Dutch, Scandinavian, Luxembourgers, Andorrans.

 

[mmttww]

Surely any decent member of our community rejoices this filth is dead.

I consider myself a decent member of my community and I'm not going to dance around celebrating someone being shot dead. That's a slippery slope.

 

[Grendel]

I consider myself a decent member of my community and I'm not going to dance around celebrating someone being shot dead. That's a slippery slope.

Well he would - he’s certainly not a member of any community I would want anything to do with

 

[fatso]

They were aware the car was used in a crime. To leave this mans past offences and the fact he was a dangerous member of a notorious gang was not a good idea. Why fear for community relations? Surely any decent member of our community rejoices this filth is dead.

Rejoices is hardly the appropriate word.

I'm glad no innocent members of the public are going to have their lives impacted further by this guy who was clearly a scumbag, but the fact that he was at liberty to behave the way he did, is a failing of the environment/background/education etc that he was brought up in.
The fact that his place in the gangland world he resided in will, no doubt already be taken by another scumbag is nothing to rejoice about.

 

[fatso]

You are basically suggesting he was shot because he was black,

He was shot because he was a gangland scumbag who broke the law numerous times, refused to stop when confronted by police and then attempted to mow down police officers in order to escape.

The only reason it's such a big issue is because he is black. If it was a white guy, it would barely have got a mention.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

He was shot because he was a gangland scumbag who broke the law numerous times, refused to stop when confronted by police and then attempted to mow down police officers in order to escape.

The only reason it's such a big issue is because he is black. If it was a white guy, it would barely have got a mention.

If that is true, why is that?

Sorry for late reply @Grendel not entirely sure why I was thinking of WS now. Maybe something to do with the police/judicial systems history of wrongfully arresting and convicting black people. Maybe it’s not always easy for communities to distinguish between what is and isn’t police brutality/‘institutional racism’. I dunno.

 

[fatso]

If that is true, why is that?

Sorry for late reply @Grendel not entirely sure why I was thinking of WS now. Maybe something to do with the police/judicial systems history of wrongfully arresting and convicting black people. Maybe it’s not always easy for communities to distinguish between what is and isn’t police brutality/‘institutional racism’. I dunno.

Do you think they'd be the same outcry if it had been a black police officer who fired the fatal shot?

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Do you think they'd be the same outcry if it had been a black police officer who fired the fatal shot?

Yes.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If that is true, why is that?

Sorry for late reply @Grendel not entirely sure why I was thinking of WS now. Maybe something to do with the police/judicial systems history of wrongfully arresting and convicting black people. Maybe it’s not always easy for communities to distinguish between what is and isn’t police brutality/‘institutional racism’. I dunno.

If that is true, why is that?

Sorry for late reply @Grendel not entirely sure why I was thinking of WS now. Maybe something to do with the police/judicial systems history of wrongfully arresting and convicting black people. Maybe it’s not always easy for communities to distinguish between what is and isn’t police brutality/‘institutional racism’. I dunno.

Well, law abiding citizens need not be ‘traumatised’ because a career criminal was shot by the police. I would not be traumatised if a random criminal in my community was shot by the police.

In fact, I’d go as far to say that people saying ethnic minorities communities being ‘traumatised’ by this incident is patronising (at best).

It went to trial, just dismissed it after 3 hours and the jury said it should’ve never went to trial in the first place.

Ironically, it has been made so public because of malevolent people trying to martyr this person into a UK George Floyd. Armed police do not get brought out lightly, it was a high risk situation.



Had Chris Kaba got out of the car with his hands up, the incident wouldn’t have happened.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Well, law abiding citizens need not be ‘traumatised’ because a career criminal was shot by the police. I would not be traumatised if a random criminal in my community was shot by the police.

In fact, I’d go as far to say that people saying ethnic minorities communities being ‘traumatised’ by this incident is patronising (at best).

It went to trial, just dismissed it after 3 hours and the jury said it should’ve never went to trial in the first place.

Ironically, it has been made so public because of malevolent people trying to martyr this person into a UK George Floyd. Armed police do not get brought out lightly, it was a high risk situation.



Had Chris Kaba got out of the car with his hands up, the incident wouldn’t have happened.

Ok. I’m not sure why this replied to my post but I think I kinda agree…it wouldn’t have happened had he not tried to escape, with seemingly little regard for others safety, and he sounds like a ‘wrong un’ alright.

I also think police should be held to account when people get shot. Like with Mark Duggan, and I’ve said, i think it’s difficult for people who aren’t friends/family of this bloke to have much sympathy.

 

[Nick]

Looks like the BBC documentary is going down well.

 

[MalcSB]

Looks like the BBC documentary is going down well.

The BBC really are a bunch of liberal twats.