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  • Start date Dec 25, 2012
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hamil99

Facebook User
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #176
Sisu hav been shafting ccfc for years whilest ACL hav been ripping off ccfc for years. Both of them are to blame for the predicament we are in now. Where's the Manhattan group now....
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #177
Yes, I am a twat. As for writing to Mutton even once, well that's twattish too, imho.

Happy Christmas.

Otis said:
Torch you really are a prat sometimes. :facepalm:

I wrote to hm once. This was at a time when it was believed there was possibly someone waiting in the wings wanting to take over the club and based upon the very reasoned, rational and consitent arguments of the likes of OSB of how unsafe the Ricoh would be in the hands of Sisu.

For me OSB is one of the very best posters on here and he talks an awful, awful lot of sense. I therefore take a lot of credence from what the likes of himself and others have said about Sisu's most likely end game.

Why are you being a total twat about my writing to the council who represent my city and only writing just that once to air my concerns?

Sometimes you are a real arse. And why you have to be a total arse at Christmas especially is beyond me.

I'm happy to debate and argue a point, but that is at least 3 times now where you have tried to score petty silly little points by mention John Mutton.

For fooks sake get a grip you wet lemon!!
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #178
torchomatic said:
Yes, I am a twat.
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You are not as bad as that. Close call though
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #179
No, don't worry. I'm happy to be a twat.

Astute said:
You are not as bad as that. Close call though
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #180
Is that why you stand up for SISU whatever they do?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #181
If I'm a twat for wanting the best for Coventry City rather than for a (Dave Nice voice) Charadee or for ACL then yep, I'm a twat.

Astute said:
Is that why you stand up for SISU whatever they do?
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #182
Acl are playing a dangerous game too, this happens in business sometimes. Lets believe in this that sisu want to be competitive and not drive Acl out if business. Acl need to work out the minimum payment they require and go no lower plus whatever percentage they need as businessmen. They also need to work out, not sure how, how much sisu are prepared to pay. A way forward is to call sisu's bluff and agree 170k a year plus match day costs for this year whilst discussing the debt and any future payments. They could also agree a year on year charge process depending on division and turnover from the previous year. They could also ask the council if there is a value or payment they are willing to pay acl for allowing ccfc to rent the ground at a subsidised rate.

Sisu are no worse or better than any owner since Derek robins and he refused to give jimmy hill a 10 year contract didn't he?

I am sure conversations of this ilk are taking place but I think there are more ways for acl to draw out the mercenary nature of sisu for everyone to see if it is truly there over ccfc
 
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crowsnest

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #183
coundonskyblue said:
ACL is a company owned by the Council & the Higgs trust. North Coventry Regeneration Limited is owned by the Council and has nothing to do with the running of ACL.
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Sorry that should have said North coventry holdings - as north coventry regeneration doesn't exist
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #184
torchomatic said:
If I'm a twat for wanting the best for Coventry City rather than for a (Dave Nice voice) Charadee or for ACL then yep, I'm a twat.
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We all want what's best for Coventry City surely?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #185
Don't be so blind, Otis! It's obvious (as people have actually said) that they would rather the club go bust than SISU "win" the rent disagreement.

Otis said:
We all want what's best for Coventry City surely?
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #186
No. some of us want SISU to do do things the right way and not risk the future of our club. You seem to have faith in them. I now have none.

Who will ever want to take over our club when nobody has trust in them?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #187
Who will want to anyway with the extortionate rent we have to pay?

Astute said:
Who will ever want to take over our club when nobody has trust in them?
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #188
Someone who is interested in meaningful negotiations.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #189
torchomatic said:
Don't be so blind, Otis! It's obvious (as people have actually said) that they would rather the club go bust than SISU "win" the rent disagreement.
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It's not being blind, they still want what they perceive to be best for Coventry City, albeit that meaning we start from scratch.

If I thought the only viable option was to re-start as in what AFC Wimbledon have done I would be in full support of that.

That has to be a very last resort though. Disingenuous to say that people do not want what is best for CCFC. It's just that many of these people are prepared for CCFC to start from scratch.

And if City did that I would be first up the Memorial Park or wherever backing the Sky Blues from there.

Fine to think starting from scratch isn't the right way forwards, but you cannot say that people do not want what they perceive as what is best for CCFC. People are looking to the long term, maybe 10 years down the line and maybe feel that we could do an AFC Wimbledon, who knows.

It may not be right in your eyes, but that doesn't mean these fans don't want what is best for CCFC.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #190
I want what is best for our club.

Sorry but I can't see in any way how SISU can be included in this.
 

CJparker

New Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #191
Otis said:
It's not being blind, they still want what they perceive to be best for Coventry City, albeit that meaning we start from scratch.

If I thought the only viable option was to re-start as in what AFC Wimbledon have done I would be in full support of that.

That has to be a very last resort though. Disingenuous to say that people do not want what is best for CCFC. It's just that many of these people are prepared for CCFC to start from scratch.

And if City did that I would be first up the Memorial Park or wherever backing the Sky Blues from there.

Fine to think starting from scratch isn't the right way forwards, but you cannot say that people do not want what they perceive as what is best for CCFC. People are looking to the long term, maybe 10 years down the line and maybe feel that we could do an AFC Wimbledon, who knows.

It may not be right in your eyes, but that doesn't mean these fans don't want what is best for CCFC.
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Otis, I'm interested in right vs wrong, not just "get the best for CCFC at all costs". As well as being a Coventry fan, I am an adult human being.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #192
"I would rather the Club go bust". A direct quote. He doesn't want the best for the team. Starting from scratch at the bottom of the triangle isn't wanting what's best.

I won't be celebrating if that happens.

Otis said:
It's not being blind, they still want what they perceive to be best for Coventry City, albeit that meaning we start from scratch.

If I thought the only viable option was to re-start as in what AFC Wimbledon have done I would be in full support of that.

That has to be a very last resort though. Disingenuous to say that people do not want what is best for CCFC. It's just that many of these people are prepared for CCFC to start from scratch.

And if City did that I would be first up the Memorial Park or wherever backing the Sky Blues from there.

Fine to think starting from scratch isn't the right way forwards, but you cannot say that people do not want what they perceive as what is best for CCFC. People are looking to the long term, maybe 10 years down the line and maybe feel that we could do an AFC Wimbledon, who knows.

It may not be right in your eyes, but that doesn't mean these fans don't want what is best for CCFC.
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #193
Astute said:
I want what is best for our club.

Sorry but I can't see in any way how SISU can be included in this.
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They own it
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #194
Otis said:
It's not being blind, they still want what they perceive to be best for Coventry City, albeit that meaning we start from scratch.

If I thought the only viable option was to re-start as in what AFC Wimbledon have done I would be in full support of that.

That has to be a very last resort though. Disingenuous to say that people do not want what is best for CCFC. It's just that many of these people are prepared for CCFC to start from scratch.

And if City did that I would be first up the Memorial Park or wherever backing the Sky Blues from there.

Fine to think starting from scratch isn't the right way forwards, but you cannot say that people do not want what they perceive as what is best for CCFC. People are looking to the long term, maybe 10 years down the line and maybe feel that we could do an AFC Wimbledon, who knows.

It may not be right in your eyes, but that doesn't mean these fans don't want what is best for CCFC.
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I'll think you will find that most people who adopt that line just want sisu to crumble and fail and actually haven't even thought of the consequences for the club.

Sisu out has become an obsession which has overtaken what is happening on the pitch.

As business practice it's not emerging even that extreme. They should have done this on day one of taking over. Told ACl that the rent is too high and dictated terms from the off. They have been weak and passive for too long.

Seriously though lots want them to fall flat on their faces and care less about the fall out for the club.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #195
Grendel said:
I'll think you will find that most people who adopt that line just want sisu to crumble and fail and actually haven't even thought of the consequences for the club.

Sisu out has become an obsession which has overtaken what is happening on the pitch.

As business practice it's not emerging even that extreme. They should have done this on day one of taking over. Told ACl that the rent is too high and dictated terms from the off. They have been weak and passive for too long.

Seriously though lots want them to fall flat on their faces and care less about the fall out for the club.
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Show me where I have ever said SISU out?

I hope I am wrong but it seems to me that we.could be.coming to the end of the game they are playing. Get promotion this season then they will carry on. At the same time keep the outlay down to a minimum. Disagree about the rent until the end of the season if they can. Fail to get promotion then SISU will pull the plug.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #196
What we are basically saying here is that the modern day football fan will sell his soul to the devil
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #197
Looking that way Macca yes

The worse thing is we could still end up in a very bad situation even if they get everything they are after.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #198
torchomatic said:
"I would rather the Club go bust". A direct quote. He doesn't want the best for the team. Starting from scratch at the bottom of the triangle isn't wanting what's best.

I won't be celebrating if that happens.
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You seem perfectly happy for ACL to go bust though?

The way the club/sisu has acted has seriously threatened financial security of ACL.

If its a choice between ACL or CCFC going bust then I would rather it be CCFC. Does that mean I don't care about the club, of course not. But for the long term security of both it would be better if its CCFC that goes bust.

If CCFC goes bust the club will survive, ACL would be supportive, and a sensable rent would be set up for the new owners.

If ACL goes bust, the bank will takeover, and no more rent negotiations will take place. If the club doesnt pay, they will be out.

My theory is if ACL goes, the club goes with it.
 

Evans020

New Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #199
coundonskyblue said:
You seem perfectly happy for ACL to go bust though?

The way the club/sisu has acted has seriously threatened financial security of ACL.

If its a choice between ACL or CCFC going bust then I would rather it be CCFC. Does that mean I don't care about the club, of course not. But for the long term security of both it would be better if its CCFC that goes bust.

If CCFC goes bust the club will survive, ACL would be supportive, and a sensable rent would be set up for the new owners.

If ACL goes bust, the bank will takeover, and no more rent negotiations will take place. If the club doesnt pay, they will be out.

My theory is if ACL goes, the club goes with it.
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The most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum.totally gobsmacked
 
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valiant15

New Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #200
He doesn't give a toss coundon,he's an outsider,if the city of coventry got burnt to the ground,he wouldn't give a toss as long as the club was the sole survivor. I as a proud coventrian see things differently.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #201
Evans020 said:
The most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum.totally gobsmacked
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Which bit do you disagree with?

Its constant short sighted policies which have gotten this club into the mess its in. Paying the lowest rent possible is making this same mistake again. ACL & CCFC are connected and both need to be viable.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #202
Evans020 said:
The most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum.totally gobsmacked
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So you think everyone but ACL would feel sorry for us?

Any idea why the council won't just hand the ground over to SISU?

The biggest load of shite on here is where people are coming out with excuses on behalf of SISU.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #203
coundonskyblue said:
ACL & CCFC are connected and both need to be viable.
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I agree, the current deal is not viable for CCFC so why do some people argue totally against lowering the rent?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #204
CCFC said:
I agree, the current deal is not viable for CCFC so why do some people argue totally against lowering the rent?
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Show me anyone doing what you say.

They have gone about it all wrong. There is a good offer on the table. Why have they not accepted it?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #205
CJparker said:
Yes I do.

But the £1.2m p/a plus extra is perfectly reasonable.

Why can't you get your head around this simple fact?
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Here you go astute
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #206
Astute said:
Show me anyone doing what you say.

They have gone about it all wrong. There is a good offer on the table. Why have they not accepted it?
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"We have no right to demand a lower rent."

"But the £1.2m p/a plus extra is perfectly reasonable.

Why can't you get your head around this simple fact? "

Plus 100s of more comments similar

tbf it is mainly CJ dominating the argument with his stupidity so it is unfair to tar others with the same brush as other have argued a rent reduction is necessary but disagree with the way it had been handled which is perfectly reasonable and I respect that but I assume lot of people also agree with CJ that the rent should not be reduced as the same group of people like his every post
 

Gaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #207
It's not a good offer when compared to what others pay.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #208
gaz said:
It's not a good offer when compared to what others pay.
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Other Stadiums don't have a £21m loan to pay off.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #209
stupot07 said:
Here you go astute
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I'll give you that one

What would be considered a decent rent if we ever reached the prem and filled the ground? About 1m a game in gate receipts.......
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2012
  • #210
Astute said:
I'll give you that one

What would be considered a decent rent if we ever reached the prem and filled the ground? About 1m a game in gate receipts.......
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The average ticket price would need to be £32 with 32k capacity crowd to achieve a £1m gate receipts per match.
 
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