Championship thread 25/26! (51 Viewers)

[Lamps]

Wrexham are well under at the moment but with PSR they could fall foul of the rules.

They have made a loss of £10.7m over the last 3 published accounting periods from 2021-2024. That is well below the £39m loss they're allowed to incur.

The 25/26 accounts will be the interesting ones though. I can't see how revenue will have increased that much for them and they are spending multi millions on single transfers now and making a lot of them.

They were under different rules then. The £39m loss over 3 years is for FFP in the Championship which is known as profit and sustainability (P&S)

League One and League Two Clubs follow the Salary Cost Management Protocol (“SCMP”) These state that Clubs can only spend a fixed percentage of its revenue on player wages etc. This limit can also be added to or impacted by equity injections or net transfer spend. This is now lower than it was before the start of this season because of what Wrexham and Birmingham did. It is now 60% of income for players expenditure in League One and 50% for League Two. But owners can donate as much as they like and the % of this can go on players expenditure. That's how they got to spend so much. They have a clean slate on entry to the Championship.

That's how Birmingham got to spend lots like £15m on Stansfield.

 

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[Liquid Gold]

They were under different rules then. The £39m loss over 3 years is for FFP in the Championship which is known as profit and sustainability (P&S)

League One and League Two Clubs follow the Salary Cost Management Protocol (“SCMP”) These state that Clubs can only spend a fixed percentage of its revenue on player wages etc. This limit can also be added to or impacted by equity injections or net transfer spend. This is now lower than it was before the start of this season because of what Wrexham and Birmingham did. It is now 60% of income for players expenditure in League One and 50% for League Two. But owners can donate as much as they like and the % of this can go on players expenditure. That's how they got to spend so much. They have a clean slate on entry to the Championship.

That's how Birmingham got to spend lots like £15m on Stansfield.

The 3 year window still becomes relevant when you get promoted into the championship. The idea that there is a grace period is an urban myth.

Clubs have to submit figures to the EFL to say they will come under the losses needed for any 3 year period.

 

[Otis]

Look at this set of games for Ipswich

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I know it's not quite possible, but I can see them getting minus 4 points from that lot

 

[Lamps]

The 3 year window still becomes relevant when you get promoted into the championship. The idea that there is a grace period is an urban myth.

Clubs have to submit figures to the EFL to say they will come under the losses needed for any 3 year period.

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Financial Regulation

The Official home of the English Football League

www.efl.com

 

[Sick Boy]

The 3 year window still becomes relevant when you get promoted into the championship. The idea that there is a grace period is an urban myth.

Clubs have to submit figures to the EFL to say they will come under the losses needed for any 3 year period.

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Ah yes, the ever-reliable ChatGPT.

 

[JSL]

I think we will easily extend the gap on them in this period

Theres more than just Ipswich to worry about. Hull and Millwall are being rather thrush like

 

[Liquid Gold]

Financial Regulation

The Official home of the English Football League

www.efl.com

from your link

That doesn't start when they go into the league, it looks at the past 3 accounting periods.

 

[Lamps]

The 3 year window still becomes relevant when you get promoted into the championship. The idea that there is a grace period is an urban myth.

Clubs have to submit figures to the EFL to say they will come under the losses needed for any 3 year period.

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If true why did the FL change the rules to try and stop more Clubs doing it after last season?

What you're saying is under the rules of League One they could spend as much as they like as long as they are given enough money by their owner, but as soon as they get promoted they have suddenly broken the FFP rules?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If true why did the FL change the rules to try and stop more Clubs doing it after last season?

What you're saying is under the rules of League One they could spend as much as they like as long as they are given enough money by their owner, but as soon as they get promoted they have suddenly broken the FFP rules?

Birmingham have been in this league for 2 out of the 3 seasons, 23/24 still counts and rightly so.

 

[Lamps]

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That doesn't start when they go into the league, it looks at the past 3 accounting periods.

Yes the big words are Championship Clubs

 

[Lamps]

Birmingham have been in this league for 2 out of the 3 seasons, 23/24 still counts and rightly so.

But because of the difference in the rules they get away with last seasons spend.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Yes the big words are Championship Clubs

You're just wrong mate but I know what you're like and you're gonna start being condescending by using phrases like "big words" to imply I don't understand things so I'm just going to leave you to it.

 

[Lamps]

You're just wrong mate but I know what you're like and you're gonna start being condescending by using phrases like "big words" to imply I don't understand things so I'm just going to leave you to it.

The rules are there.

Or how else have Birmingham got away with spending an absolute fortune like £15m on Stansfield alone when in League One?

 

[covcity4life]

I'm only looking at the top 5 because Derby, Wrexham and Preston are 14 points behind us with 14 games to go. We won't be in the top two if any of them catch us up.

I'm not bothered who finishes where as long as we finish in the top two.

Yeh I don't mean anyone outside top 5 is a automatic contender. I just mean it's not only 6th place that is up for grabs

 

[David O'Day]

Ah yes, the ever-reliable ChatGPT.

yeah, it's right this time though

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Yeh I don't mean anyone outside top 5 is a automatic contender. I just mean it's not only 6th place that is up for grabs

People are allowed to make predictions. I think the general point is that the league is so close that even the team down in 16th has a shot at the playoffs if they were to put a few wins together.

 

[Lamps]

Yeh I don't mean anyone outside top 5 is a automatic contender. I just mean it's not only 6th place that is up for grabs

Definitely correct there. Any side in the top 16 can make the playoffs and 8th are only 6 points off 4th.

 

[Lamps]

yeah, it's right this time though

I suppose the Championship rules are the same as the Premiership rules so Leicester were right to question their punishment.

I'll leave it to the experts on here.

 

[covcity4life]

People are allowed to make predictions. I think the general point is that the league is so close that even the team down in 16th has a shot at the playoffs if they were to put a few wins together.

No need to be defensive about it. I'm not disagreeing with the notion that mid table clubs still have alot to play for. I'm simply adding I don't think it's only 6th place that is available to them that's all

 

[SBAndy]

I suppose the Championship rules are the same as the Premiership rules so Leicester were right to question their punishment.

I'll leave it to the experts on here.

Whilst the ‘rules’ framework is the same, because they are two different governing bodies (PL/EFL) that was the issue. Championship and L1 both fall under EFL jurisdiction.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The rules are there.

Or how else have Birmingham got away with spending an absolute fortune like £15m on Stansfield alone when in League One?

Your interpretation of the rules would make them inconsistent and unfair

 

[Lamps]

Your interpretation of the rules would make them inconsistent and unfair

And that's why they are. Just like it isn't really fair between the Championship and the Prem.

The difference between League One and the Championship has never really mattered before until last season where 2 teams bought promotion. Birmingham spent so much that they would be in trouble under Championship rules. The FL have changed the rules from before this season but could only tweak them.

The problem is the two sets of rules are not compatible. An owner could in theory donate £100m to their club and they could spend 60% of it on player expenditure. They would make a massive loss. Then on promotion to the Championship they would fall foul of the Championship rules but would have kept to the rules fully before promotion.

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How much money is a Prem side allowed to lose over 3 years? If they have lost more than £39m over the last 3 years what happens to them if they then get relegated to the Championship?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

No need to be defensive about it. I'm not disagreeing with the notion that mid table clubs still have alot to play for. I'm simply adding I don't think it's only 6th place that is available to them that's all

It's not being defensive. It's just getting fucking annoying that you have gone back to every other post being a swipe at someone. You know what you are doing and then make stupid comments like this when called out.

I haven't seen anyone say the top 5 are cemented. It's just pointing out that at the moment the 6th place spot is the one more likely open to those teams still in the bottom half. It's not remotely controversial.

 

[CCFC96]

I don't think sell on fees are part of their objective really. If they think they can get promoted they presumably will be pulling in some extra recent from the USA which means that transfer sell ons are less important than they might be for us.

Yeah true - I guess if I was a fan I’d be worried that they’re so reliant on the Americans financing everything. If they get bored or some of the bigger investors decide to pull the plug it could cause real issues.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

It's not being defensive. It's just getting fucking annoying that you have gone back to every other post being a swipe at someone. You know what you are doing and then make stupid comments like this when called out.

I haven't seen anyone say the top 5 are cemented. It's just pointing out that at the moment the 6th place spot is the one more likely open to those teams still in the bottom half. It's not remotely controversial.

Yes its strange. Since we won hes been going back point scoring.

 

[Lamps]

Yeah true - I guess if I was a fan I’d be worried that they’re so reliant on the Americans financing everything. If they get bored or some of the bigger investors decide to pull the plug it could cause real issues.

They are now under Championship rules so can't continue buying anyone they fancy unless their TV rights are massive. If they are, they won't need more massive investments. They have 2 more seasons to get promotion to the Prem before the problems could start.

 

[covcity4life]

It's not being defensive. It's just getting fucking annoying that you have gone back to every other post being a swipe at someone. You know what you are doing and then make stupid comments like this when called out.

I haven't seen anyone say the top 5 are cemented. It's just pointing out that at the moment the 6th place spot is the one more likely open to those teams still in the bottom half. It's not remotely controversial.

 

[covcity4life]

Yes its strange. Since we won hes been going back point scoring.

You mean let posters talk nonsense and then pretend it never happened?

Not for me

Anyway leave me alone im neuro divergent and suffer from mental health issues

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You mean let posters talk nonsense and then pretend it never happened?

Not for me

Anyway leave me alone im neuro divergent and suffer from mental health issues

WOW that is low.

I'm not going to stoop so low to bring up some of your personal issues that have been documented on here.

 

[covcity4life]

WOW that is low.

I'm not going to stoop so low to bring up some of your personal issues that have been documented on here.

Like you did multiple times in past? You think I forgot?

Your boring. Let this be the last time we speak. Your blocked for good.

Take care x

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Like you did multiple times in past? You think I forgot?

Your boring. Let this be the last time we speak. Your blocked for good.

Take care x

Not the sort of comments I expect from someone in a pastoral position!

Its You're in your post, not your.

 

[SBAndy]

How much money is a Prem side allowed to lose over 3 years? If they have lost more than £39m over the last 3 years what happens to them if they then get relegated to the Championship?

There is a modifier in place allowing higher losses for each season spent in the PL. Off the top of my head, think it’s £45m per season rather than £13m.

 

[Nick]

Just seen Wrexham's 2nd goal.

Clear offside, Lino bottled it.

 

[wingy]

Just like when they sponsored their own stadium and funnelled money in that way. That bulb-headed c**t just says the word revenue and all the dopey cunts that follow him like rats following the piper parrot it as if fucking Blues are a money making machine and its all above board. Never have I wanted a club to fall on its arse so much.

It's just business.🫣

 

[shepardo01]

Ipswich;