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Grendel · May 9, 2020

skybluebeast said:
Mate actually read what I said.
This needs to carry on, it’s laughable that they’re willing to cancel the EFL but carry on the PL. Its either safe to play football or it’s not.

It’s the cost of carrying on which is the issue as much as anything else

Sky Blue Pete · May 9, 2020

skybluebeast said:
Solution is to play games behind closed doors streaming games for us to watch.
We cancel this season to start the new one when? What happens when we have a spike again next year, we cancel that season too?

Probably

Malaka · May 9, 2020

I'm not into playing games at neutral venues. Teams that have played teams away, lose home advantage of no fans and pitch familiarity.

skybluebeast · May 9, 2020

Grendel said:
It’s the cost of carrying on which is the issue as much as anything else

So what no football until a possible vaccine is sourced? Surely by that time as zero revenues will be coming in ie. ticket sales, merch and sponsorship then clubs will be dead anyway.
Football is too stuck in its ways, this virus isn’t going anywhere ever, so we have to adapt to beat it.

skybluebeast · May 9, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Probably

Then what’s the point Pete?

Skybluefaz · May 9, 2020

skybluebeast said:
So what no football until a possible vaccine is sourced? Surely by that time as zero revenues will be coming in ie. ticket sales, merch and sponsorship then clubs will be dead anyway.
Football is too stuck in its ways, this virus isn’t going anywhere ever, so we have to adapt to beat it.

The cost of testing is what is the problem.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 9, 2020

SeaSeeEffCee said:
For those who are expecting to just continue to the season post-June good luck forcing the out of contract players to play. Can't break contract law and just tell people they're contracts are being extended without their say so. And continuing the same season with wildly different squads would be a farce. Blackpool have 15 players out of contract on June 1st.

They can't, and shouldn't, be forced to play but if the league refuse to open up the transfer window until season completed they can choose to leave on contract expiry but not sign for anyone else so their choice is temporary extension and getting paid or refusing and not. Let them decide.

There are technically a few ways they could get round being paid (non-player role, pre-contract signing on fee payable immediately to cover 'wages') but that would involve said player really being wanted that badly by the club they're willing and able to cover those costs even though the player can't play for them. With the potential of no fans in stadiums for the foreseeable a lot of clubs may struggle to be able to do this.

Terry Gibson's perm · May 9, 2020

The most ridiculous idea is the end it at half way, you could have played all the best teams away at that stage or may have played more away games than home. The only people who are pushing for that are the teams who had a good first half of the season.

Sky Blue Pete · May 9, 2020

skybluebeast said:
Then what’s the point Pete?

You deal with what’s in front of you and hope things will be different

Legia Sky Blue · May 9, 2020

Sick Boy said:
It’s up to the clubs to vote rather than the EFL?

Of course, but the EFL will decide how the vote works, which will have huge significance to the eventual outcome. For instance do the 3 leagues decide together, or do they decide by individual league, or as suggested League 1 and League 2 are separated for voting purposes from the Championship, with likely different outcomes? Separating the leagues for voting purposes seems legally dubious to me, as it could be conceived to have been done to achieve a pre ordained outcome, and might not have otherwise happened. Maybe the EFL rules allow it though, I'm not sure.

Furthermore, if as seems likely the EFL set an initial question of clubs a) do you want to play out season b) or cancel season, our club are in a difficult voting position as we don't really know what the eventual outcome this is leading to. If the vote is to cancel the EFL then it will require a secondary question to ask, a) should the season be null and void b) should the season be decided on 'sporting merit'. If sporting merit is the outcome then a 3rd vote will be required on how to decide the means of deciding sporting merit. Do we as a club want to risk the outcome of those subsequent votes, or do we play safe in regard to the first question and vote for the season to be played out? We would probably like to have the answer to the 2nd and 3rd questions before voting on question 1, but the order of questions will be at the whim of the EFL. That's why I want our owners to be working tirelessly to ensure our interests are not compromised.

Reading this back I'm not sure I've articulated this too well, so apologies if that's the case, but I hope it makes sense!!

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 9, 2020

Legia Sky Blue said:
Of course, but the EFL will decide how the vote works, which will have huge significance to the eventual outcome. For instance do the 3 leagues decide together, or do they decide by individual league, or as suggested League 1 and League 2 are separated for voting purposes from the Championship, with likely different outcomes? Separating the leagues for voting purposes seems legally dubious to me, as it could be conceived to have been done to achieve a pre ordained outcome, and might not have otherwise happened. Maybe the EFL rules allow it though, I'm not sure.

Furthermore, if as seems likely the EFL set an initial question of clubs a) do you want to play out season b) or cancel season, our club are in a difficult voting position as we don't really know what the eventual outcome this is leading to. If the vote is to cancel the EFL then it will require a secondary question to ask, a) should the season be null and void b) should the season be decided on 'sporting merit'. If sporting merit is the outcome then a 3rd vote will be required on how to decide the means of deciding sporting merit. Do we as a club want to risk the outcome of those subsequent votes, or do we play safe in regard to the first question and vote for the season to be played out? We would probably like to have the answer to the 2nd and 3rd questions before voting on question 1, but the order of questions will be at the whim of the EFL. That's why I want our owners to be working tirelessly to ensure our interests are not compromised.

Reading this back I'm not sure I've articulated this too well, so apologies if that's the case, but I hope it makes sense!!

Apparently null and void is off the table. It’s likely to be
1) cancel the season? Yes or no?
2) which method to determine positions?
A,B or C

Legia Sky Blue · May 9, 2020

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Apparently null and void is off the table. It’s likely to be
1) cancel the season? Yes or no?
2) which method to determine positions?
A,B or C

I wasn't aware this had been decided. How is the voting constituency being made up? Are the Leagues voting separately, or are all 71 clubs voting together?

Ring Of Steel · May 9, 2020

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Apparently null and void is off the table. It’s likely to be
1) cancel the season? Yes or no?
2) which method to determine positions?
A,B or C

if that’s the case we’re up... unless they do that weird “halfway through the season” bullshit

procdoc · May 9, 2020

Gray said:
I don't think I could celebrate if they just promote us. No excitement of the final whistle, no lifting the trophy... Just placed in a league that we'll likely get relegated from

People said we would get relegated from League One when we won the League Two playoffs

Sick Boy · May 9, 2020

From what I understand all that is required is to sort out how final positions will be determined and that the decision to cancel has already been taken (from reading between the lines).

Otis · May 9, 2020

Gray said:
I don't think I could celebrate if they just promote us. No excitement of the final whistle, no lifting the trophy... Just placed in a league that we'll likely get relegated from

I'll be dancing round the living room.

skybluebeast · May 9, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
You deal with what’s in front of you and hope things will be different

You’re from the fire fighting school of thought then, old fashioned and out dated.

Sky Blue Pete said:
You deal with what’s in front of you and hope things will be different

Oh you mean bury your head in the sand - that’s what hoping things will be different means.
Things will be different if you change your approach to things and adapt.

kg82 · May 9, 2020

skybluebeast said:
You’re from the fire fighting school of thought then, old fashioned and out dated.

Oh you mean bury your head in the sand - that’s what hoping things will be different means.
Things will be different if you change your approach to things and adapt.

Why did you use the same quote 3 times?!

I don’t think anyone’s burying their head in the sand. Everyone’s got an opinion, but in the end it doesn’t really matter what we think. I’d love for the season to be played out. But if that’s off the table and the choices are get promoted or don’t get promoted, I’ll take get promoted with the asterisk.

mark82 · May 9, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
if that’s the case we’re up... unless they do that weird “halfway through the season” bullshit

Halfway through the season would be 23 games. At 23 games the following would be the top 3:

1. Wycombe
2. Oxford
3. Coventry City

Note: we didn't hit 3rd until a little later, but taking points on each team's 23rd matchday still puts us 3rd.

kg82 · May 9, 2020

mark82 said:
Halfway through the season would be 23 games. At 23 games the following would be the top 3:

1. Wycombe
2. Oxford
3. Coventry City

22 games. Bury not in the league.

mark82 · May 9, 2020

kg82 said:
22 games. Bury not in the league.

Oh yeah. In that case we'd miss out by a point and Wycombe, Ipswich and Bristol Rovers go up. No way many are voting for that option. 2 teams that don't even remotely deserve it in Ipswich and Bristol Rovers

clint van damme · May 9, 2020

kg82 said:
22 games. Bury not in the league.

If they do it on this it would be a fucking joke

mark82 · May 9, 2020

clint van damme said:
If they do it on this it would be a fucking joke

Yeah, no way Ipswich and Bristol Rovers should be anywhere near the discussion.

clint van damme · May 9, 2020

mark82 said:
Yeah, no way Ipswich and Bristol Rovers should be anywhere near the discussion.

Personally, I'd like to see the season finished no matter how long that takes.
But failing that, PPG has to be the fairest way.

kg82 · May 9, 2020

clint van damme said:
If they do it on this it would be a fucking joke

There’s no way they’d do it this way, surely. The only person I’ve seen saying anything about this was some Wycombe player... wonder why he was pushing it!

Ring Of Steel · May 9, 2020

clint van damme said:
If they do it on this it would be a fucking joke

Could someone explain why the fuck anyone would come up with an idea like this? What is is supposed to prove?

clint van damme · May 9, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Could someone explain why the fuck anyone would come up with an idea like this? What is is supposed to prove?

I think KG82 is right in his post above, it's not a realistic option surely?

Gibbo · May 9, 2020

cc84cov said:
Liam Walsh for me is the main target if we are promoted we have to try and sign that boy permanently

A central midfield of Kelly (struggling at the end of this season) and an other, is not a good thought.

On other matters if the choices are void or ppg, then for most clubs, it makes no odds either way, and that includes Peterboro. They stay down regardless of which option is chosen. Void = restart, PPG means they don't go up. They have no self interest apart from beggar thy neighbour.. I am assuming the halfway points tally is laughed out of court.

The only way the likes of Peterboro can be promoted will be if the season restarts - which looks very unlikely. Or am I missing something?

clint van damme · May 9, 2020

Gibbo said:
A central midfield of Kelly (struggling at the end of this season) and an other, is not a good thought.

On other matters if the choices are void or ppg, then for most clubs, it makes no odds either way, and that includes Peterboro. They stay down regardless of which option is chosen. Void = restart, PPG means they don't go up. They have no self interest apart from beggar thy neighbour.. I am assuming the halfway points tally is laughed out of court.

The only way the likes of Peterboro can be promoted will be if the season restarts - which looks very unlikely. Or am I missing something?

I don't think anyone expects Kelly to be the mainstay of a championship midfield.

Sky Blue Pete · May 9, 2020

Otis said:
I'll be dancing round the living room.

Yep I’m excited just thinking about it

MusicDating · May 9, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep I’m excited just thinking about it

Why, is Otis a good dancer?

ccfcway · May 9, 2020

Malaka said:
I'm not into playing games at neutral venues. Teams that have played teams away, lose home advantage of no fans and pitch familiarity.

i would be fine with that. we have played half our games this season away and the other half at a neutral venue.

Frank Sidebottom · May 9, 2020

Nick said:
Where would we finish if it was done alphabetically?

Not sure but I bet Accringtons owner will vote for that.

AStonesThrow · May 9, 2020

MusicDating said:
Why, is Otis a good dancer?

No but he’s an exotic one

Wyken Sky Blue · May 9, 2020

rob9872 said:
Don't you know pump it up
The City's going up!

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