CCFC Supports Rainbow Laces - Why? (2 Viewers)

[Bennettbarnet]

Haha. You said that being offended on behalf of someone else is virtue signalling. Applied to a real world scenario it clearly isn’t, at least not always.

No agenda here my friend.

The part where you claimed that I said they couldn't be challenged.

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[Bennettbarnet]

No. Though you have given a bit of a weird take.

What part of it is weird?

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[Reppz]

So you’re saying we need to step it up, maybe make it more visible?

So you’re saying we need to step it up, maybe make it more visible?

More players feeling brave enough to come out as gay would work wonders for the campaign and show it is working, yes.

At the moment it is just a gimmick they pull for a couple of weeks every season and then forget about. Pointless.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The part where you claimed that I said they couldn't be challenged.

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Challenging it means I have taken offence. But according to you I can’t take offence on another’s behalf.

 

[djr8369]

More players feeling brave enough to come out as gay would work wonders for the campaign and show it is working, yes.

At the moment it is just a gimmick they pull for a couple of weeks every season and then forget about. Pointless.

You’re so close.

 

[Reppz]

You’re so close.

What are you insinuating?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

The campaign has been going on for what, maybe a decade now, and in that time 1 professional player in a dead Australian league has come out as gay.

Yeah the campaign is working wonders.

Not an unreasonable point. I guess it's also about crowd attitudes too mind you, and allowing fans to be themselves without discomfort or fear.

I guess I'd say it could have more effect, but it's better than nothing, and isn't really putting anyone out, anyway.

 

[Sick Boy]

Challenging it means I have taken offence. But according to you I can’t take offence on another’s behalf.

The poster clearly has some kind of agenda having made a handle of posts in over a year and then suddenly chirps up on this.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

OK so he has a prejudice. What now?

Are you telling me that you don't have offensive predjudices? And think about it before you answer.

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He has a prejudice.
He has voiced that prejudice on a public forum.
Others have voiced their opinions about his prejudice - as encouraged to do so by him.
What’s your point?

 

[Bennettbarnet]

Everyone is allowed their opinion mate but that only extends to one level. An opinion disagreeing with the first opinion is virtue signalling.

Same with “free speech”. People must have the right to free speech but don’t go disagreeing with them as that is subduing the first person free speech and essentially “cancelling” them.

Got it?

You can have an opinion opposed the original poster. My opinion is also the polar opposite. It is how it is challenged that I have an objection with. It is my opinion that they should be called out for being incorrect with evidence and we'll thought out debate, not just a blanket "that's so offensive" as many have done.

Why is it offensive? To be offensive it needs to be directly offensive to that person, you can't just claim offence on behalf of a community, that is cultural appropriation by any other name. Just as a white man styling dreadlocks is offensive to those of the Rasatfarian religion. No harm is meant I am sure, but do not presume to know what it actually means to the person in that religion - or someone in the gay community in this instance.

You can have a whole range of human emotions to the original posters opinion. And of course it should be challenged. But unless you fall into the demographic he is aiming his opinion towards, to say you are "offended" is insincere.



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[Bennettbarnet]

Challenging it means I have taken offence. But according to you I can’t take offence on another’s behalf.

No, challenging it could just mean that his ideas do not align with your own. Or that you believe it to be inappropriate and therefor the right thing to do.

This all started because of my objection to people not articulating their objections in the right way. Its counter productive to use blanket terms of "im offended" and in some cultures and communities, the faux outrage on their behalf would be considered offensive in itself. Think how to better project your feelings and then at the end of it, come to the realisation that a bigoted opinion doesn't matter and that if it can't be educated in a different direction, ignore it and carry on with your life.

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[stupot07]

In your instance, I can understand that offence will be caused as it is personal to you.

For everyone else, his opinion should be treated with the contempt it deserves and either engage to educate him or move on.

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Sorry that's nonsense. People have tried to engage him, he is that set in his archaic views that no amount of education is going to change his views. So what the alternative is to ignore and move on? Stay silent? Allow those thoughts to be posted or said out loud without pointing out its offensive and prejudice? Isn't this exactly what the (racism/LGBT/me too) campaigns are about?

You suggest that other than Mr Monkey we have no reason to feel offended, but you don't know what other peoples circumstances are, I.e. friends and family.

- My nephew is gay
- I have a few gay/lesbian friends and work colleagues.
- I'm good friends with one of my colleagues who is in a same sex couple and have 2 gorgeous adopted kids
- my youngests best friend at school has same sex parents.

Am I not allowed to feel offence has been made?

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[Nick]

Coventry City F.C is for EVERYONE

Unless they go to wasps games

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, challenging it could just mean that his ideas do not align with your own. Or that you believe it to be inappropriate and therefor the right thing to do.

This all started because of my objection to people not articulating their objections in the right way. Its counter productive to use blanket terms of "im offended" and in some cultures and communities, the faux outrage on their behalf would be considered offensive in itself. Think how to better project your feelings and then at the end of it, come to the realisation that a bigoted opinion doesn't matter and that if it can't be educated in a different direction, ignore it and carry on with your life.

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This is why I said you had a weird take. You seem to justify feeling offended at the comments or wanting to do something about them on others’ behalf, but also dismiss feeling offence as virtue signalling if people aren’t the subject of the comments.

It actually all started because you said the OP had made no offensive comments. Loads of people here beg to differ.

 

[Disgruntled Sky Blue]

Just to be clear. I am saying that children brought up within a STABLE, LOVING and CARING mother and father environment is the best for that child. Any other arrangement will always be second best to that but that does not mean a child cannot be bought up well by single parents, adopted parents, grandparents or even a village community. It seems some posters are just determined to look for the negative. Again, many on this thread talk inclusion and diversity for all but only on their terms. If my opinion challenges that then it has to be accepted as an alternative view. You do not have to agree.

 

[mr_monkey]

Just to be clear. I am saying that children brought up within a STABLE, LOVING and CARING mother and father environment is the best for that child. Any other arrangement will always be second best to that but that does not mean a child cannot be bought up well by single parents, adopted parents, grandparents or even a village community. It seems some posters are just determined to look for the negative. Again, many on this thread talk inclusion and diversity for all but only on their terms. If my opinion challenges that then it has to be accepted as an alternative view. You do not have to agree.

But how do you know that, what is your experience of non mother and father environments that has allowed you to form this opinion?

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Ironic isn't it, that the views of the OP and his 'silent majority' (his words) have attracted so little support on SBT ?
Anyone would think that the term 'silent majority' had been purposely & incorrectly used, to falsely bolster and exaggerate his poorly supported and factually inaccurate views.
'non-existent & fantasy majority' would have been more accurate.

 

[Sick Boy]

Ironic isn't it, that the views of the OP and his 'silent majority' (his words) have attracted so little support on SBT ?
Anyone would think that the term 'silent majority' had been purposely incorrectly used, to falsely bolster and exaggerate his poorly supported and factually inaccurate views.
'non-existent & fantasy majority' would have been more accurate.

Yeah all this and the American virtue signalling nonsense is just an attempt to demean and stop the majority from challenging them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just to be clear. I am saying that children brought up within a STABLE, LOVING and CARING mother and father environment is the best for that child. Any other arrangement will always be second best to that but that does not mean a child cannot be bought up well by single parents, adopted parents, grandparents or even a village community. It seems some posters are just determined to look for the negative. Again, many on this thread talk inclusion and diversity for all but only on their terms. If my opinion challenges that then it has to be accepted as an alternative view. You do not have to agree.

In which case offer some hard evidence. Though to be clear, your OP was about why CCFC are part of a particular campaign. The answer’s been given.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

It seems some posters are just determined to look for the negative.

Yes, that's how debates work...you find a flaw (or two) in someone's arguments and give an alternative view.
Your opening post was almost entirely 'negative', so guess what...you got alot of replies...just not the kind you wanted.

 

[procdoc]

Not sure why you are asking me this. The notion of a traditional nuclear family is not my dictate. I’m merely considering and comparing several millennia of what was considered the traditional family unit which I agree with as opposed to the last 1 or 2 decades of 21st century thinking.

Nor am I diminishing you or your husband’s capabilities of providing solid care and love to your daughter who you rescued from what sounds like a dreadful situation. As much as you could be the best fathers any child could ever have, you will never be the best mothers.

The first understanding any child gets about gender qualities is usually from a loving mother and father. If one of those is missing, there is an automatic relational imbalance that child will have to navigate at some point. Each gender brings something different to the party to encourage a rounded development of son or daughter. I am sure you and your husband have discussed this but when your daughter reaches puberty and adolescence a daughter will generally benefit most from her mother’s guidance. Since neither of you have those qualities, she will have to glean that from an alternative mother figure and if she is unable to do that where will that leave her emotionally?

You say my views are among the minority on this thread, perhaps they are but this forum is not a barometer for society as I believe there is still a silent and vocal majority. I notice that several regular posters have vented their frustrations with my stance with colourful language and name calling. I am not looking for anyone’s approval and truly do not care for it. Nor am I looking to wind people up as I see no benefit in that. I started this thread to see if my stance regarding CCFC supporting Rainbow Laces was valid or not. I understand why the campaign exists but still uneasy with the deeper ramifications it poses in my opinion which I will not go into on this thread.

As for your genuine question, I do not possess a crystal ball so cannot tell you that one way or another, only time will tell. But if you are really asking for my opinion, since society is basically people which includes children then I would say that any child brought up in a single sex environment will not be better off no matter how loving the parents are.

For the love of God, please stop. Were you born in the 1800’s? What is your opinion on same sex marriage? When gay people such as Rylan from X Factor are on your TV do you change the channel? Are you homophobic because you are uncomfortable with your own sexuality?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Yes, that's how debates work...you find a flaw (or two) in someone's arguments and give an alternative view.
Your opening post was almost entirely 'negative', so guess what...you got alot of replies...just not the kind you wanted.

I would say most replies have been positive, anyway. Positively supporting inclusion, and equality, and a lack of discrimination. That's kind of positive, to me...

 

[procdoc]

No, I am not. If a Flat Earth believer was on here you wouldn't be offended by them. Its that his opinion is politically sensitive and therefor you are offended and have a need to tell everyone just how offended you are. Its the very definition of virtue signalling.

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Seriously, where do cunts like you socialise, 1957?

 

[procdoc]

In your instance, I can understand that offence will be caused as it is personal to you.

For everyone else, his opinion should be treated with the contempt it deserves and either engage to educate him or move on.

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So just because the issue doesn’t directly effect me I can’t be offended by it? Who are you to determine the criteria of what people can or can’t find offensive?

 

[Nick]

For the love of God, please stop. Were you born in the 1800’s? What is your opinion on same sex marriage? When gay people such as Rylan from X Factor are on your TV do you change the channel? Are you homophobic because you are uncomfortable with your own sexuality?

I do because he's annoying

 

[Nick]

Just to be clear. I am saying that children brought up within a STABLE, LOVING and CARING mother and father environment is the best for that child. Any other arrangement will always be second best to that but that does not mean a child cannot be bought up well by single parents, adopted parents, grandparents or even a village community. It seems some posters are just determined to look for the negative. Again, many on this thread talk inclusion and diversity for all but only on their terms. If my opinion challenges that then it has to be accepted as an alternative view. You do not have to agree.

On that basis though? How can you say that man and woman is going to be better for the kid just based on that?

Surely some gay couples will be better parents and some straight couples will be better. It's not entirely exclusive based on that.

 

[Sick Boy]

Children brought up by same sex couples are much more likely to be well balanced, accepting and open minded than those brought up by a husband and wife spewing some of the bigotry we’re seeing on this thread.

 

[hill83]

I’m sure he’ll take it on board that he’s completely misunderstood the entire gay community by thinking it’s a lifestyle choice. Apologise and that will be the end of it. And also he’ll request the thread is deleted as it makes us all look like twats.

Or not

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

For the love of God, please stop. Were you born in the 1800’s? What is your opinion on same sex marriage? When gay people such as Rylan from X Factor are on your TV do you change the channel? Are you homophobic because you are uncomfortable with your own sexuality?

Do you find it impossible to engage with anyone with whom you disagree without blowing a fuse ?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Seriously, where do cunts like you socialise, 1957?

More articulate conversation from our resident Mr Angry. Seriously, you need to get a hobby.

 

[mr_monkey]

More articulate conversation from our resident Mr Angry. Seriously, you need to get a hobby.

Tbf you haven't answered any of the questions posed to you, just slagged off other people for their views

 

[Grendel]

For the love of God, please stop. Were you born in the 1800’s? What is your opinion on same sex marriage? When gay people such as Rylan from X Factor are on your TV do you change the channel? Are you homophobic because you are uncomfortable with your own sexuality?

I do change the channel when Rylan is on to be fair

 

[procdoc]

I do change the channel when Rylan is on to be fair

But I assume that’s because he’s fairly talentless and not to do with his sexuality

 

[mr_monkey]

I do change the channel when Rylan is on to be fair

Me too

 

[procdoc]

More articulate conversation from our resident Mr Angry. Seriously, you need to get a hobby.

Idiots like you make me angry. It’s not as if you’re thick as fuck either, which is even more annoying as you truly believe the uneducated shite you say