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Gibbo

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #71
matesx said:
My wishful thinking is that if we get promoted a buyer will come in with an offer Joy cant refuse.
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Or there is one waiting, Joy just has to get City back to the Championship. I can see little on going benefit to SISU from being a mid table Championship side.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #72
Astute said:
Fuck me.

Top of the table. Pulling clear. Best time to be a City supporter for many years. I have a great idea. Let's think of a thread that can make people angry and want to have an argument.

Oh well. All a part of being a City supporter.
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The accounts have been published and it’s legitimate to discuss them
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #73
Nick said:
How long until Keiran Maguire tells everybody that millions has been taken from the club and gets everybody frothing?
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He will say we are £81 m in debt to Sisu
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #74
fernandopartridge said:
Not really very positive is it? £4m + transfer profit mostly covering losses, not sustainable at all.
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Eh?

How is it 'not very positive' that we have made a profit for the first time in however long? How many other clubs in the football league made a profit last year?

Would it be more positive if we made a loss?
 
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speedie87

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #75
We’ve actually made a £2m profit if you ignore the interest on the loans which is more a of paper figure than anything else in the accounts
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #76
PVA said:
Eh?

How is it 'not very positive' that we have made a profit for the first time in however long? How many other clubs in the football league made a profit last year?

Would it be more positive if we made a loss?
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We havent we’ve made an operating loss which has increased
 
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CovUpNorth

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #77
chiefdave said:
How many clubs make a profit before transfers? Not to mention its the clubs stated business model. Of course it would be brilliant if we were minions in profit without selling anyone but that's virtually impossible.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #78
speedie87 said:
We’ve actually made a £2m profit if you ignore the interest on the loans which is more a of paper figure than anything else in the accounts
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Page 27 shows a £2m loss operationally which has zero to do with that - match day turnover went down
 

speedie87

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #79
Grendel said:
Page 27 shows a £2m loss operationally which has zero to do with that - match day turnover went down
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yeah add the £4m player sales and you get my £2m profit
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #80
Grendel said:
Page 27 shows a £2m loss operationally which has zero to do with that - match day turnover went down
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Wonder if the playoffs helped with that the year before?
 

CovUpNorth

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #81
How much do the Champions of League 1 receive?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #82
speedie87 said:
yeah add the £4m player sales and you get my £2m profit
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Which is as tenable as wasps making a profit due to the extraordinary share issue item
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #83
Anotization costs much higher? What’s the debt that’s been written down on an asset?

£0.5m on rent which is a lot higher than the stated Ricoh rent amount
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #84
CovUpNorth said:
How much do the Champions of League 1 receive?
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Not much. The bigger prize is increased revenues in the Championship. Of course, expenses will also be higher too.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #85
Grendel said:
Anotization costs much higher? What’s the debt that’s been written down on an asset?

£0.5m on rent which is a lot higher than the stated Ricoh rent amount
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Did they ever confirm what the terms were at the Ricoh for last year?
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #86
CovInEssex said:
Couple of big FA Cup games in this seasons as well - could be the difference between green and black.
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And the shirts, especially the two-tone sales.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #87
mark82 said:
Did they ever confirm what the terms were at the Ricoh for last year?
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It was £500k the year before as well
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #88
Nick said:
Have they always broken things down to the level of heating, printing and transport etc? I can't remember seeing that.
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No I think it’s good
 
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speedie87

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #89
Grendel said:
Which is as tenable as wasps making a profit due to the extraordinary share issue item
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They are different as it’s not a one off exceptional item. Hence wasps had to account for it as such. Making money from player sales a normal part of the trade of running a football club. As shown from selling 3 players for millions again this season.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #90
Grendel said:
It was £500k the year before as well
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Hmm. If it's not the Ricoh, any idea what it could be? I know they obviously have the ticket office, but that will be negligible.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #91
speedie87 said:
They are different as it’s not a one off exceptional item. Hence wasps had to account for it as such. Making money from player shares a normal part of the trade of running a football club. As shown from selling 3 players for millions again this season.
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It’s not if you are looking at the true value of the business - the business has lost £2.5m yet makes a laughable statement it’s running at a revenue neutral position - it’s had £1.3 m of loans in the previous 3 years unsecured from the master fund as well
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #92
speedie87 said:
They are different as it’s not a one off exceptional item. Hence wasps had to account for it as such. Making money from player sales a normal part of the trade of running a football club. As shown from selling 3 players for millions again this season.
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It isn't, we cannot rely on profit from players of £4m +, Maddison in particular is a one off and we're very unlikely to bring that sort of money in again.

This isn't me being negative it's just genuine worry for the club's future. We all love to comment on Wasps' poor financial position, ours is not really much better if not worse and it seems a bit like the egos involved have set the two clubs on to a mutually assured suicide.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #93
fernandopartridge said:
It isn't, we cannot rely on profit from players of £4m +, Maddison in particular is a one off and we're very unlikely to bring that sort of money in again.

This isn't me being negative it's just genuine worry for the club's future. We all love to comment on Wasps' poor financial position, ours is not really much better if not worse and it seems a bit like the egos involved have set the two clubs on to a mutually assured suicide.
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A lot of people on here are like that Shuggs guy on there
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #94
TBF we’ve been saying we can’t sustain player sales since Wilson went and yet here we are.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #95
speedie87 said:
They are different as it’s not a one off exceptional item. Hence wasps had to account for it as such. Making money from player shares a normal part of the trade of running a football club. As shown from selling 3 players for millions again this season.
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It's not guaranteed though. This profit is only because Maddison moved on, and that was out of our control. Had he not moved on, would we have had to sell someone below value to plug the gap? Or would we have had to have an inferior squad, and risk starting the cycle we were in before of the swirling plughole?

We've sold players this season, but will have smaller income and (possibly) greater costs. What happens then? At what point do we run out of saleable assets, or we have to sell everybody, fast?
 
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tisza

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #96
Grendel said:
Anotization costs much higher? What’s the debt that’s been written down on an asset?

£0.5m on rent which is a lot higher than the stated Ricoh rent amount
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Higgs rent?
I'm assuming the some of amortization increase is down to the fact we bought players for cash and it's spread over the length of their contracts
 

speedie87

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #97
Grendel said:
It’s not if you are looking at the true value of the business - the business has lost £2.5m yet makes a laughable statement it’s running at a revenue
neutral position - it’s had £1.3 m of loans in the previous 3 years unsecured from the master fund as well
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Yes we’d have made a loss without player sales , but player sales are a main source of trading income for football clubs. You can’t just ignore them.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #98
shmmeee said:
TBF we’ve been saying we can’t sustain player sales since Wilson went and yet here we are.
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And I'm realistic enough to know that player sales are an inevitability. It's to Robins' great credit that despite smaller income streams this season, he's got us doing so well, really.

All it takes is one poor choice of manager, though...
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #99
The increase in turnover we need to even begin to compete in the Championship is huge, well over 100%, where is that coming from?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #100
fernandopartridge said:
The increase in turnover we need to even begin to compete in the Championship is huge, well over 100%, where is that coming from?
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To a degree, does our business model need us to sell one or two players at peak value on promotion, keep a similar squad to now, and just take the hit of relegation?

Would that actually straighten us out a little financially? Or risk starting the downward spiral again?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #101
fernandopartridge said:
The increase in turnover we need to even begin to compete in the Championship is huge, well over 100%, where is that coming from?
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Joy has recruited Dale Evans. Panic over.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #102
If we could somehow manage to have a fairly competitive season on a similar budget and come down with more money in the bank and a similar squad it would help the 'who blinks first' strategy our owners seem to have.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #103
fernandopartridge said:
The increase in turnover we need to even begin to compete in the Championship is huge, well over 100%, where is that coming from?
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Well....its a challenge...but if we all drink enough sky blue army lager then maybe...just maybe
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #104
Liquid Gold said:
If we could somehow manage to have a fairly competitive season on a similar budget and come down with more money in the bank and a similar squad it would help the 'who blinks first' strategy our owners seem to have.
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To an extent, bouncing a bit like, say, Rotherham might be what we need for a while. Given our recent history however, I'd always be worried to loser culture took over again, just when we've rid ourselves of it seemingly.
 
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CovInEssex

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  • Mar 2, 2020
  • #105
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Well....its a challenge...but if we all drink enough sky blue army lager then maybe...just maybe
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I'm willing to do my bit for the cause.
 
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