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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #106
Sub said:
Would it be CCFC that owned part of the stadium or Otium or Sisu thats a question that would need answering first
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CCFC will never own any stadium... Fisher said so.
 

torchomatic

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #107
Sky Blue Kid said:
CCFC will never own any stadium... Fisher said so.
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And we never will, with or without SISU.
 

Moff

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #108
italiahorse said:
So renting from Coventry RFC is better than renting from Wasps ?
Really ?
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Do you know what the plans are? do you know what the deal is? Do you hell.

Why not wait to see what the finer details are before pissing all over the idea. People moan enough that the club aren't making any plans for a ground, and then they make some and people like you just whine.

You don't even know what the planned ground would be, I bet you didn't bleat when we were in the Premier League at Highfield Road when the capacity was 23K.

Its not my grand ideal, but we are where we are, and the Ricoh will never be ours, but still don't let that stop you on the moaning.
 
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Moff

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #109
Sky Blue Kid said:
15k stadium is not, and will never, be big enough for CCFC. CRFC will not allow the increase to 25k. or even anywhere near it!
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Based on what facts?
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #110
italiahorse said:
Wasps fan for 2 years.
Coventry City fan for 49 years.
Spoken like a businessman?
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Imagine if Wasps hadn't shown up you'd be up to 51 years now.
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #111
15000 is plenty for now. People moan that they can't/won't go up as the team isn't performing. Bollocks to them all. If they really all wanted to support the club then they've had a virtual clear run over the last 11 years in a ground thats been 'nearly' filled a total of 3 whole times. If they'd really supported the team when it mattered we wouldn't be where we are now.
Why should the club go out on a limb for people to go to one game every 3 or 4 years?
Financially, a larger capacity would make little difference if we ever did get to the premier league as the gate money is peanuts compared to the tv money.
Get a share in the Butts and move the club forward.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #112
Guess we have finally accepted that we are happy to remain as div3 and div4 team.

In my eyes this deal is a total lack of vision and ambition.

If it rocks your boat then fine.
 

torchomatic

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #113
Sky Blue Dal said:
Guess we have finally accepted that we are happy to remain as div3 and div4 team.

In my eyes this deal is a total lack of vision and ambition.

If it rocks your boat then fine.
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And forever renting from Wasps with no chance of increased revenue? Ditto.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #114
skybluebeduff said:
From one rugby club ground share to another, from a world class venue to a conference stadium!! that's 9 years of progress right there!
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Really sad isn't it... only way now is downwards.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #115
Sky Blue Dal said:
Guess we have finally accepted that we are happy to remain as div3 and div4 team.

In my eyes this deal is a total lack of vision and ambition.

If it rocks your boat then fine.
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Thinking about it you're right. We should stay in a 2/3 empty stadium with no income from it for us just on the off chance that we draw Crewe in the JPT area final again.
:facepalm:
 
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skybluebeduff

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #116
robbiekeane said:
I think renting a soulless bowl for match days only, that's too big for us, to owning any % of a 15k seater stadium in a few years time would be progress actually.
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You think progress will happen whilst SISU remain here? How do people even think such things when evidence is applicable to the contrary?
 
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Esoterica

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #117
Sky Blue Dal said:
Guess we have finally accepted that we are happy to remain as div3 and div4 team.

In my eyes this deal is a total lack of vision and ambition.

If it rocks your boat then fine.
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I don't think anyone's accepting anything other than we've been reduced to our knees as a club. Rebuilding from the state we've been left in will take years unless someone with more money than sense is taking over. In fact I think it's you with no vision. You sound like the type of fan who thinks we should still be making million pound signings and that Wasps are just waiting for a different CCFC owner to sell us half the Ricoh.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #118
torchomatic said:
And forever renting from Wasps with no chance of increased revenue? Ditto.
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eastwoodsdustman said:
Thinking about it you're right. We should stay in a 2/3 empty stadium with no income from it for us just on the off chance that we draw Crewe in the JPT area final again.
:facepalm:
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Don't need to give you any guesses as to why the crowd has dwindled.

Like I said if it rocks your boat.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #119
The funniest thing about this is all the posters who didn't give a shit about CRFC when it was suggested that they could go up the BPA instead of Sixfields, then did give a shit about CRFC when Wasps rolled up now all of a sudden don't give a shit about CRFC again because they're wishing SISU of all people on them. You couldn't make it up.

That's before you even get into the problems that will probably stop it happening in the first place not least of all some people think SISU will find a way to fund it. Pull your heads out of the sand people.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #120
Sky Blue Dal said:
Don't need to give you any guesses as to why the crowd has dwindled.

Like I said if it rocks your boat.
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If this happens and it stabilises my football club and gives it a brighter future then it indeed rocks my boat.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #121
Warwickhunt said:
hopefully a stepping stone for SISU to get out of Football
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Thats what I can agree with.
 

GaryPendrysEyes

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #122
eastwoodsdustman said:
15000 is plenty for now. People moan that they can't/won't go up as the team isn't performing. Bollocks to them all. If they really all wanted to support the club then they've had a virtual clear run over the last 11 years in a ground thats been 'nearly' filled a total of 3 whole times. If they'd really supported the team when it mattered we wouldn't be where we are now.
Why should the club go out on a limb for people to go to one game every 3 or 4 years?
Financially, a larger capacity would make little difference if we ever did get to the premier league as the gate money is peanuts compared to the tv money.
Get a share in the Butts and move the club forward.
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-- and some STILL blame the fans. Thick as pig shit.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #123
torchomatic said:
If this happens and it stabilises my football club and gives it a brighter future then it indeed rocks my boat.
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How long you been waiting for that ... 9 years?
 

Esoterica

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #124
skybluetony176 said:
The funniest thing about this is all the posters who didn't give a shit about CRFC when it was suggested that they could go up the BPA instead of Sixfields, then did give a shit about CRFC when Wasps rolled up now all of a sudden don't give a shit about CRFC again because they're wishing SISU of all people on them. You couldn't make it up.

That's before you even get into the problems that will probably stop it happening in the first place not least of all some people think SISU will find a way to fund it. Pull your heads out of the sand people.
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Well you did just make it up, I bet you couldn't name one person who ticks all those boxes. CRFC would have no obligation whatsoever to get into bed with current or future owners unless on their own terms or for their own benefit.
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #125
Moff said:
Based on what facts?
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Based on the fact that CRFC owner said so!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #126
skybluetony176 said:
The funniest thing about this is all the posters who didn't give a shit about CRFC when it was suggested that they could go up the BPA instead of Sixfields, then did give a shit about CRFC when Wasps rolled up now all of a sudden don't give a shit about CRFC again because they're wishing SISU of all people on them. You couldn't make it up.

That's before you even get into the problems that will probably stop it happening in the first place not least of all some people think SISU will find a way to fund it. Pull your heads out of the sand people.
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Don't fret, Ann did the worrying for us, thank goodness she gave "a shit":

“This is the most important decision this Council has ever taken about the future of one of its best community assets, and we would not have taken it unless we were confident it was the right thing to do. Wasps’ decision to make their home here is really important for the city and its future; it sees significant investment by a successful sports team that believes Coventry is the place to develop a world class sporting facility and is here for the long term.

“They have some really exciting plans for community and grassroots development that will bring massive benefits to Coventry youngsters, and a real commitment to deliver some great sporting opportunities across all our communities. This deal would not have happened if it threatened the future of the Sky Blues or Coventry Rugby Club.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #127
Esoterica said:
Well you did just make it up, I bet you couldn't name one person who ticks all those boxes. CRFC would have no obligation whatsoever to get into bed with current or future owners unless on their own terms or for their own benefit.
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I love the phrase "you couldn't make it up", it's used quite a lot on here.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #128
Sky Blue Dal said:
How long you been waiting for that ... 9 years?
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Yep, and I'll be waiting a lot longer if we have to continue to rent from those lovely guys from London.
 

Moff

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #129
skybluetony176 said:
The funniest thing about this is all the posters who didn't give a shit about CRFC when it was suggested that they could go up the BPA instead of Sixfields, then did give a shit about CRFC when Wasps rolled up now all of a sudden don't give a shit about CRFC again because they're wishing SISU of all people on them. You couldn't make it up.

That's before you even get into the problems that will probably stop it happening in the first place not least of all some people think SISU will find a way to fund it. Pull your heads out of the sand people.
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Who are all those people then Tony? all those that didn't give a shit about CRFC?

What are all the problems that will stop it happening? as I am sure Jon Sharp is more knowledgeable and tuned in to the cost and planning issues than you will be. You mention SISU, but all I read is that this is a CRFC plan and they are in control.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #130
Moff said:
Who are all those people then Tony? all those that didn't give a shit about CRFC?

What are all the problems that will stop it happening, as I am sure Jon Sharp is more knowledgeable and tuned in to the cost and planning issues than you will be. You mention SISU, but all I read is that this is a CRFC plan and they are in control.
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If it happens then it will be because CRFC want it to.
 
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Moff

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #131
Sky Blue Kid said:
Based on the fact that CRFC owner said so!
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I hate to be pedantic but as you often do, I will ask for a link to this 'fact' so that I can actually see what was said.
 

Colin Steins Smile

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #132
Otis said:
Yep. After what has happened to us with Wasps and the Ricoh etc. I really do think we need to be careful here in what we wish for and are wanting.

Are we happy for Cov to play in a 2/3rds empty soulless stadium simply because it suits our needs?

Would love to see the Butts developed, but for Cov. Would love to see them in a lovely new 10,000 seater stadiums with improved facilities.

Think the aim should be to develop the Butts for Cov and for us to ground share there if no deal can be found at the Ricoh, until we can build our own stadium somewhere for us.
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I can't see the attraction for CRFC in increasing capacity and over developing their stadium for CCFC. Secondly the prospects of a business partnership with SISU is hardly attractive. SISU seem to litigate as a matter of normal business practice. I would fear for CRFC.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #133
Moff said:
I hate to be pedantic but as you often do, I will ask for a link to this 'fact' so that I can actually see what was said.
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Think you're getting me confused with Grenduffy.... It's usually me supplying "Links"


http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/recap-reaction-coventry-city-coventry-11349600 Listen from about 25 seconds.
 

GaryPendrysEyes

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #134
torchomatic said:
And forever renting from Wasps with no chance of increased revenue? Ditto.
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Youre talking about that 12k pie money arent you?- what other revenue is available above that at the Ricoh? What's the cost to Sisu of moving to BPA (stadium capacity upgrade, seating, changing rooms, media upgrades, ground staff, security, access, parking, planning, project mgt). How long to break even for short-termist Sisu? 10 years?
It aint gonna happen.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #135
torchomatic said:
Yep, and I'll be waiting a lot longer if we have to continue to rent from those lovely guys from London.
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Like our owners yeah?
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #136
GaryPendrysEyes said:
-- and some STILL blame the fans. Thick as pig shit.
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Here she comes like a bad penny turning up whenever something slightly positive is happening to try and piss on the parade.
I reckon you're the sort that'd slow down to get a photo of a car crash.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #137
Sky Blue Kid said:
Think you're getting me confused with Grenduffy.... It's usually me supplying "Links"


http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/recap-reaction-coventry-city-coventry-11349600 Listen fro about 25 seconds.
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Cheers for that.

Interesting he did clearly say 15k, but not 25 as too big at present, but would have the potential to be extended to 25k if needed.
 

italiahorse

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #138
italiahorse said:
Ask Fisher for the plan tomorrow then rather than let him wind you up and set you running.
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So whose is the plan you are working to here ?
 

Moff

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #139
GaryPendrysEyes said:
-- and some STILL blame the fans. Thick as pig shit.
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He was talking about a period longer than SISU had been at the club. Like you said, thick as pig shit.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 15, 2016
  • #140
GaryPendrysEyes said:
Youre talking about that 12k pie money arent you?- what other revenue is available above that at the Ricoh? What's the cost to Sisu of moving to BPA (stadium capacity upgrade, seating, changing rooms, media upgrades, ground staff, security, access, parking, planning, project mgt). How long to break even for short-termist Sisu? 10 years?
It aint gonna happen.
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Wha-hey, here's GPE. Keep meaning to ask. How long have you supported the Blue Skies?

Yes, I'm talking about revenue, the lifeblood of a club. You want that for your team surely? We're not getting that stuck at the Ricoh. So, what do you suggest?
 
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