Sky Blue Kid
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It's not so much 15k average mate. That would be top attendance at BPA. That will kill any ambition for CCFC. The Club will stay forever L1-L2.
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It's not so much 15k average mate. That would be top attendance at BPA. That will kill any ambition for CCFC. The Club will stay forever L1-L2.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Hell yes.
Its called Ethics.
CRFC are a community based club with a history in the City that even pre-dates CCFC.
They are not an off-shore money grabbing franchise who have no morals or ethics whatsoever......
...its bad enough our clubs owners are spivvy duplicitous cunts......its too much to bare that are landlords are too
steve82
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A 15k stadium is more than enough at the minute.... sisu say they ain't selling and currently we have a hardcore of 5k ish season ticket holders.. soon to be 3/4K so a 15k stadium is still too big but gives the yo yo fans space to return on a glimmer of success or a home game v Chelsea, Man City, Utd, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle.
I very much doubt we have 20k nopm fans committed to returning if/when sisu leave. They've gone, some even watching wasps instead. People have new interest, most I'm sure still go now out of habit... better than a afternoon with the wife!!
I very much doubt we have 20k nopm fans committed to returning if/when sisu leave. They've gone, some even watching wasps instead. People have new interest, most I'm sure still go now out of habit... better than a afternoon with the wife!!
rupert_bear
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It took 4 months last season to go from 11000 to pushing 14000 when it looked like we were going to make a decent challenge for once at the right end of the division and playing decent football.
Surely from CRFC business perspective, the % of income they would receive from 10-15k city fans in the stadium 30 times a season would dwarf their current revenue?
Even more with a 20-25k stadium and the revenue that a Championship club would bring. I think they would take their support rattling around in a 25k stadium if their annual profit was increased 3/4fold.
Even more with a 20-25k stadium and the revenue that a Championship club would bring. I think they would take their support rattling around in a 25k stadium if their annual profit was increased 3/4fold.
Captain Dart
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Read Jon Sharps comment, he is basically confirming he doesn't want COV to be a partner of equals.
clint van damme
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Why would CRFC pay to develop a stadium to 15,000 capacity when:
a) they don't need a stadium that big
b) they want other commercial opportunities on the site so it doesn't make sense to develop the stadium beyond requirement.
If the club require a 15,000 seater stadium does anyone believe sisu are going to pay anything towards this development?
I'm not often on the same page as Italia and SBK but I agree, it's too small but I don't see sisu partnering up with CRFC anyway, (and for the sake of CRFC that's probably for the best).
a) they don't need a stadium that big
b) they want other commercial opportunities on the site so it doesn't make sense to develop the stadium beyond requirement.
If the club require a 15,000 seater stadium does anyone believe sisu are going to pay anything towards this development?
I'm not often on the same page as Italia and SBK but I agree, it's too small but I don't see sisu partnering up with CRFC anyway, (and for the sake of CRFC that's probably for the best).
Skybluefaz
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I couldn't see it being any more than a bargaining chip to get a better deal from wasps or to prise more money from a would be investor. The notion that we'd get 25k average crowds when sisu leave is totally unfounded when you look at historical crowd data. If it benefitted the club financially I'd be all for it. Really can't see it being more than a concept though.
That was still in L1 though playing Gillingham Burton and Scunthorpe etc, if that had of been in the Championship home attendances would be pushing 18-20 with away support of 3-6k dependat on opposition.
Terry Gibson's perm
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10k would be plenty at the moment and if we are selling out every week great also allows us to cut the way following down
torchomatic
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True, then we don't sustain the form and they desert us again.
stupot07
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The bond issue makes it extremely improbable even if there was a will. OSB did a good post explaining this a few months back.
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italiahorse
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So moving to a smaller stadium is a move in the right direction?
We are clutching at straws if people think BPA is the answer.
Sisu need to find land big enough for a stadium and training facilities for both the academy and first teams.
They need to build a stadium that starts at 20,000 and that is easily expandable to 30,000 plus when we need it.
It needs to be within 10 miles of Coventry but not necessarily in Coventry.
It does need to be attached to urban developments of Coventry and Warwickshire to take advantage of other incomes.
I believe this is what Sisu have been talking about so we need a statement from Fisher tomorrow on how it's going.
If it's not progressing then it should be labelled as a 'want' and we need to get urgently into bed with Wasps for a 10 year running deal until the above can be progressed.
Any commitment at the butts from Sisu to CRFC would need to be a partnership predominantly financed by SISU.
That would tie us down to the BPA, in at best a 15,000 seater stadium, effectively killing any chance of moving on and therefore killing all long term ambitions of club and fans.
Captain Dart
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SISU need to go. Then new owners can formulate a coherent and believable strategy.
italiahorse
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I have no financial gains from CCFC at this level.
In fact if they installed an all weather pitch as allowed in rugby my incomes would increase.
I want us to stay there because I believe it is the only option while we plan and build a new stadium.
See reasoning above.
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torchomatic
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If we can actually own some bricks and mortar then yes! I know why you're so desperate for us to stay at the Ricoh and it has nothing to do with the future of CCFC. Because of the bond issue there will be zero chance of us owning any part of the Ricoh or getting a deal that will increase the football club's revenue significantly.
I think staying at the Ricoh with the current deal seriously impacts any future we may have.
You'll still have Wasps.
torchomatic
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OK, so say that happened. How do they persuade Wasps to hand over any part of the Ricoh when they are desperate to pay off their bond? They need every penny they can. As Stu said, OSB did a good summing up a while back.
italiahorse
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Our future owners might already own it ??
torchomatic
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So swap one hedge fund that has moved its team to another hedge fund who have moved their team. Permanently this time? Yeah, sounds sensible.
italiahorse
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Shortened for you to 'Cutting your nose off to spite your face' ?
Liquid Gold
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Makes perfect sense for a company losing £4m a year to take over our basket case. As everybody knows two losses cancel each other out
italiahorse
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Picked up for nothing and currently running at breakeven. Even I could run it.Makes perfect sense for a company losing £4m a year to take over our basket case. As everybody knows two losses cancel each other out
Captain Dart
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I do not suggest anything of the sort. Its a time for thinking out of the box, no sensible options should be off the table.
However
a) Wasps are not suitable owners, they are all about Rugby and they make a loss.
b) Butts as a home for CCFC is too restrictive it is only up to National League standard.
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RB1992
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I would take quite literally anywhere over the Ricoh, so naturally I am all for us playing at the BPA.
The only good thing about the Ricoh is the casino.
The only good thing about the Ricoh is the casino.
italiahorse
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Get Sisu to show us the figures and I'm with you.
Can't just believe Fisher like some seem too.
Liquid Gold
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Are you going to keep selling players to cover losses then? Boooo italia out
NorthernWisdom
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Well I for one am looking forward to CRFC getting an improved ground, CCFC getting a city centre ground, and umpteen opportunities for people to beg us to pack out the Butts and ram it full.
italiahorse
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How big a stadium would you settle for ?
I suggest the BPA stadium will be no bigger than 12,000.
shy_tall_knight
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Maybe a change in ownership there may be a review with WASPS of having joint ownership of the Ricoh - but doesn't sound feasible or practical. Being a tenant to WASPS would only ever work if we were in the PL, BPA however even 10,000 IMO would be a strain on the roads especially that volume of pedestrians all leaving at the same time - Swan Lane even with small crowds people had to walk in the middle of the road.
italiahorse
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Once Sisu go and we can see a chance of a future, crowds will increase.
I still don't believe that Sisu are not taking money out.
Liquid Gold
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Ah you believe it so it must be true, post truth world again.
We need someone with a hell of a lot of money to turn us around. a company making large losses each year isn't that. Our best chance of owning the Ricoh is wasps failing at the bond issue and needing to sell some/all of their stake. If we spent a few seasons at the bpa and left crfc with a good 15k stadium to grow in when returning to the Ricoh as owners then all he better. The only loser would be the out of town franchise which sounds great to me.
italiahorse
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If I was CRFC I would build a stadium to suit there requirements and maximise other areas to increase other incomes.
Using that space to increase capacity for a tenant at the expense of reducing/sharing those incomes is not going to happen.
italiahorse
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So if I read you right.
Get rid of Wasps and then carry on from where we were at Northampton but be at BPA instead until CCC give us the stadium.
Don't tell CovRFC though.....
Think about it !!!!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I honestly believe anyone against the idea of a Butts move must have a vested interest elsewhere or hate change.
There is no future at the Ricoh for the club to even stagnate, let alone expand. The other options are to build a new stadium (never going to happen), or move outside of the city (RIP CCFC).
Joining forces with a historical team that also got shafted by Wasps, in a city center location, that means us and them can expand together is a great idea. This season a 10k stadium would have been enough, so to start on 15k and expand from there is completely adequate. Even at Highfield Road we never got more than about 20k.
If we have something we own in part, we can at least start making some revenue on that. The soul of the club is brought back into the city and filling a smaller stadium every week will make for a much better atmosphere. The ambition isn't dead, it's a new starting point. People understandably were skeptical of the Ricoh, in particular its location, where as with this the capacity is about the only problem - that can be built on, there is enough land if done correctly.
I think people should get behind this idea, as if it is done right, could be amazing and save the club as we know it. I'm afraid I also can't take anyone seriously who thinks it is a bad idea based on 'pedestrian access' and shit like that. Give me a break.
I mean, from a personal bias perspective, imagine the City Arms on a match day? I'd never come home!
There is no future at the Ricoh for the club to even stagnate, let alone expand. The other options are to build a new stadium (never going to happen), or move outside of the city (RIP CCFC).
Joining forces with a historical team that also got shafted by Wasps, in a city center location, that means us and them can expand together is a great idea. This season a 10k stadium would have been enough, so to start on 15k and expand from there is completely adequate. Even at Highfield Road we never got more than about 20k.
If we have something we own in part, we can at least start making some revenue on that. The soul of the club is brought back into the city and filling a smaller stadium every week will make for a much better atmosphere. The ambition isn't dead, it's a new starting point. People understandably were skeptical of the Ricoh, in particular its location, where as with this the capacity is about the only problem - that can be built on, there is enough land if done correctly.
I think people should get behind this idea, as if it is done right, could be amazing and save the club as we know it. I'm afraid I also can't take anyone seriously who thinks it is a bad idea based on 'pedestrian access' and shit like that. Give me a break.
I mean, from a personal bias perspective, imagine the City Arms on a match day? I'd never come home!
