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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #36
Astute said:
Are you saying that we have never replaced players sold over the years?

How about the pathetic excuses being made by CCFC supporters on why we are becoming shit and a lower level division 3 club?
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Pardon me but I think you'll find we've signed several strikers since Wilsons departure...... do keep up dear.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #37
covmark said:
At the time it was a good deal, that's what people are saying. 1 season in league 1 scoring goals, probably all the other teams in this division would have cashed in. Add to that Wilson was offered far more money and higher standard of football. It was inevitable he was going to go.

Would we be doing better? Who knows. Wilson wouldn't stop the amount of goals we're conceding though.
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Most of us didn't think it was a good idea at all.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #38
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Pardon me but I think you'll find we've signed several strikers since Wilsons departure...... do keep up dear.
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Oh dear, dear.

So signing lots of poor strikers....mainly on loan......was replacing Wilson?
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #39
Otis said:
The problem is not in the selling of Wilson, but in making sure an adequate replacement is secured to fill the void left by his absence.
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Good point Otis, can't disagree with that.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #40
Astute said:
And I thought I could spout shit on here
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You can.

And you do.

:wave:
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #41
Astute said:
Oh dear, dear.

So signing lots of poor strikers....mainly on loan......was replacing Wilson?
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that's a different argument though fella.....

....Signing players is always a gamble......If the new strikers were banging them in for fun....everyone would be wanking themselves silly....but to date, they've, on the whole, provided a poor return.

Signing a lanky lower league journeyman whose second touch was often a tackle & pairing him with a lad who had yet to really step up from the academy was a bigger gamble last year......but hey, you win some, you lose some.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #42
Buster said:
Only SISU's Bank Manager could even dream that selling Wilson was good !
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Bradford must have the same bank manager then when they sold Nakhi Wells to Huddersfield last season as well then?? League One player, goal scoring record, sold for a reputed £3m to a Championship club.

Oh no hang on, it's ONLY Sisu's bank manager who could even dream something like that......
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #43
Mcgoldrick scored 1 goal in 14 games the season before he came on loan to us.


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rupert_bear

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #44
If Joy Sepalla knew anything about football she would look at where the likes of Bournemouth and Southampton are presently and ask those charged with running our football club why aren't we somewhere near to where they are. The money pouring through both those clubs would mske sisu and more importantly their investors very happy.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #45
stupot07 said:
Mcgoldrick scored 1 goal in 14 games the season before he came on loan to us.
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Exactly...and Leon Clarke had never hit anywhere near the kind of form he did for us in over 10 years for trying.....win some, lose some.
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #46
rupert_bear said:
If Joy Sepalla knew anything about football she would look at where the likes of Bournemouth and Southampton are presently and ask those charged with running our football club and why aren't we somewhere near to where they are. The money pouring through both those clubs would mske sisu and more importantly their investors very happy.
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Would they?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27224806

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26813363




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ecky

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #47
Otis said:
The problem is not in the selling of Wilson, but in making sure an adequate replacement is secured to fill the void left by his absence.
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musicmanskyblue said:
I think most would be more understanding to the logistics of the move if at least some part of the fee would have been invested back in the team.
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Astute said:
So if we kept Wilson we wouldn't be doing much better and Bournemouth wouldn't be doing much worse? And I thought I could spout shit on here

If you are still saying that it was a good deal you are either making excuses for those who make the decisions or making excuses for yourself because you said it was a good deal when he was sold. He is knocking them in for fun and setting other players up against much better players. Yet he wouldn't make much of a difference to our results this season?
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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Damn you sisu.....If only we kept hold of Wallace, Gibson, Speedie, Gallagher, Dublin, Keane.....blah blah fucking blah.....
Really is some pathetic whinging by sad cases on here sometimes.....
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Your the sad basket case as you seem content with all the goings on at the moment
How can you ever progress as a team when you just sell all your quality players year in year out?
You wonder why 8k only go to watch..
We regularly had 20,000 plus at the Ricoh when we first moved there.

I know you can't keep every player but we are where we are due to Sisu and their lack of ambition.

I tell you now Sisu are using city to offload all the debt and they will walk away..
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #48
ecky said:
Your the sad basket case as you seem content with all the goings on at the moment
How can you ever progress as a team when you just sell all your quality players year in year out?
You wonder why 8k only go to watch..
We regularly had 20,000 plus at the Ricoh when we first moved there.

I know you can't keep every player but we are where we are due to Sisu and their lack of ambition.

I tell you now Sisu are using city to offload all the debt and they will walk away..
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Jesus Christ ecky...no one's content but it's football for crying out loud. You're right, we did regularly get 20k at the Ricoh. Novelty factor. When we were regularly in the top flight, our attendances were 8-10k lower than that. It would be the same if we moved to a new stadium again...a novelty factor.

You could argue that we're in our current situation due to a number of factors but this has been done to death. You'd argue SISU. I'd argue SISU, Richardson and many others but let's not go there again.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #49
ecky said:
Your the sad basket case as you seem content with all the goings on at the moment
How can you ever progress as a team when you just sell all your quality players year in year out?
You wonder why 8k only go to watch..
We regularly had 20,000 plus at the Ricoh when we first moved there.

I know you can't keep every player but we are where we are due to Sisu and their lack of ambition.

I tell you now Sisu are using city to offload all the debt and they will walk away..
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We were getting 20,000 when we sd mcsheffrey to a club in our league and replaced him with Kyle and Mckenzie.

History just repeating itself.
 

covmark

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #50
Skyblueweeman said:
Jesus Christ ecky...no one's content but it's football for crying out loud. You're right, we did regularly get 20k at the Ricoh. Novelty factor. When we were regularly in the top flight, our attendances were 8-10k lower than that. It would be the same if we moved to a new stadium again...a novelty factor.

You could argue that we're in our current situation due to a number of factors but this has been done to death. You'd argue SISU. I'd argue SISU, Richardson and many others but let's not go there again.
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You really are pissing in the wind with the morons on here mate.
 

Covstu

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #51
FFS some on here are still acting as if we are a premier league club, the Wilson deal was inevitable and personally thought £3M was a decent amount. The amount of League One players poached by higher leagues season in season out is ongoing and clubs cannot stand in the way of a player getting a role in a higher league and a better salary. Its a shame we cannot keep these players but FFS we have been selling our best players since before i was born so why are people expecting us to change now when we are at our lowest eb since i can remember.

Its shit where we currently are but i think people need to wake up and realise that we are no longer a prem club or even a championship club and cannot expect us to retain a hot prospect like Wilson.
 
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dadgad

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #52
Did Cambridge moan when Dion was banging in the goals for us?
 

Speng

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #53
I'm glad he is scoring as I have £40 on him being top goal scorer at 33-1 , carry on Wilson
 

mds

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #54
Another short sighted thread about everyday football happenings like its only ever us.

dadgad said:
Did Cambridge moan when Dion was banging in the goals for us?
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Doubt it, but im sure they had a bonus or two from Man U.
 
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Buster

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #55
Covstu said:
FFS some on here are still acting as if we are a premier league club, the Wilson deal was inevitable and personally thought £3M was a decent amount. The amount of League One players poached by higher leagues season in season out is ongoing and clubs cannot stand in the way of a player getting a role in a higher league and a better salary. Its a shame we cannot keep these players but FFS we have been selling our best players since before i was born so why are people expecting us to change now when we are at our lowest eb since i can remember.

Its shit where we currently are but i think people need to wake up and realise that we are no longer a prem club or even a championship club and cannot expect us to retain a hot prospect like Wilson.
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The lack of ambition at this club is truly atrocious. Its always been our Achilles heel but now we're scraping the bottom of the barrel! When the Villa were our nemesis year after year we talked of survival ,they , on the other hand were not content with being out of the top ten . There is nothing wrong in yearning to be in the top flight and talking likewise but to actively support the selling of your best player in return for a few loans is weak
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #56
Buster said:
The lack of ambition at this club is truly atrocious. Its always been our Achilles heel but now we're scraping the bottom of the barrel! When the Villa were our nemesis year after year we talked of survival ,they , on the other hand were not content with being out of the top ten . There is nothing wrong in yearning to be in the top flight and talking likewise but to actively support the selling of your best player in return for a few loans is weak
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Horseshit.

No-one is "actively supporting" the sale of key players......

...it just happens that some of us live in the real world & accept that the sale of players to clubs higher up the pyramid is, & always has been, the norm.

All together now....sing along......"Cov do it, Brum do it, even man utd scum do it.....lets do it.....lets sell all our players"
 
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Buster

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #57
"Good business sense " = actively supporting
Too many fans of this club have delusions of being " business men" instead of fans
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #58
ecky said:
Callum Wilson playing a significant part in their success now being top of the championship...
Sisu should have kept him for another season to get us out of this dire league.
Their lack of ambition, shortsightedness and the way they operate will see us stuck in this god for saken league for years..
You look at Bournemouth and you say to yourself that should be us!!
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SISU have shafted the club at every opportunity for about 4 years now. The worst example though had to be selling your leading goalscorer in the January when you were already fighting relegation. They'll do it every chance they can in the future too.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #59
stupot07 said:
Would they?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27224806

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26813363
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Lets compare shall we:

Coventry City - 19th in League 1, owe our owners £44.72m, 2013 accounts show £7.16m loss, don't own our ground but own Ryton.

Southampton - 2nd in the Premier League, owe their owners £32.4m, 2013 accounts show £7.1m loss (excluding transfer fees £8.7m profit), own their own ground and new £30m training centre. Note: have made about £35m profit from transfers over the summer.

Bournemouth - 1st in the Championship, owe their owners £16.2m, 2013 accounts show £15.3m loss (can't find any amount excluding transfer fees but I can see reports saying a large investment was made into training facilities), own their own ground and training centre.

Which club do you think is in the worst position out of those? If either Southampton's or Bournemouth's owners were to sell up there's a good chance they will at least get their money back. Depending on how they are run from the point of the these accounts its also possible for both to run profitably in the future.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #60
chiefdave said:
Lets compare shall we:

Coventry City - 19th in League 1, owe our owners £44.72m, 2013 accounts show £7.16m loss, don't own our ground but own Ryton.

Southampton - 2nd in the Premier League, owe their owners £32.4m, 2013 accounts show £7.1m loss (excluding transfer fees £8.7m profit), own their own ground and new £30m training centre. Note: have made about £35m profit from transfers over the summer.

Bournemouth - 1st in the Championship, owe their owners £16.2m, 2013 accounts show £15.3m loss (can't find any amount excluding transfer fees but I can see reports saying a large investment was made into training facilities), own their own ground and training centre.

Which club do you think is in the worst position out of those? If either Southampton's or Bournemouth's owners were to sell up there's a good chance they will at least get their money back. Depending on how they are run from the point of the these accounts its also possible for both to run profitably in the future.
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Us obviously. Never said we weren't. However, the point was made that Bournemouth and Southampton's owners were raking it in. They clearly aren't and are having to throw money to stay where they are.


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stupot07

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #61
Buster said:
The lack of ambition at this club is truly atrocious. Its always been our Achilles heel but now we're scraping the bottom of the barrel! When the Villa were our nemesis year after year we talked of survival ,they , on the other hand were not content with being out of the top ten . There is nothing wrong in yearning to be in the top flight and talking likewise but to actively support the selling of your best player in return for a few loans is weak
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Perhaps that the difference between a club regularly getting crowds of 15-16k in the PL at highfield road with one getting 34-36k at villa park.


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Astute

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #62
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Exactly...and Leon Clarke had never hit anywhere near the kind of form he did for us in over 10 years for trying.....win some, lose some.
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Would you like to check your fact of the day?
 

Astute

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #63
stupot07 said:
Us obviously. Never said we weren't. However, the point was made that Bournemouth and Southampton's owners were raking it in. They clearly aren't and are having to throw money to stay where they are.


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Southampton sold nearly their whole first team. They replaced them and are now doing fantastic this season. And they spent less than they brought in. We sold our strikers. We didn't replace them. We are doing shit.
 
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Buster

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #64
stupot07 said:
Perhaps that the difference between a club regularly getting crowds of 15-16k in the PL at highfield road with one getting 34-36k at villa park.


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I think its been said before -- sucess on the pitch leads to bigger crowd ,leads to higher gate , and on to more income . If while trying to achieve this you sell your best players your , for want of a better word Fu@ked. Ambition is the key to it all . If SISU dont show any ,at least we can. I still think we could fill the stadium with a good side
 

LJC_CCFC

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #65
Still think that we have a good squad (if not a bit of a risky one with the loans). The main problem has been the formation (5-3-2), we couldn't score, we didn't create and many blamed the squad. We change up to 4-4-2 and we've beaten Peterborough and drawn with Orient scoring 5 in the process. I could never say a Pressley team will be defensively solid, but watch us take off and replicate the first part of last seasons form in the 4-4-2.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #66
Stupid comment....all I am saying is that we would have scored more goals definitely, so we would have had more chance of winning and yes who is to say if we had scored first in some of those close games and Draws that we would then not have gone on to win. So you see it doesn't take 2 goals.
Speedies_Chips said:
So in the games we have lost by 1 goal, he would definitely have scored 2 goals to turn them into wins???
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letsallsingtogether

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #67
LJC_CCFC said:
Still think that we have a good squad (if not a bit of a risky one with the loans). The main problem has been the formation (5-3-2), we couldn't score, we didn't create and many blamed the squad. We change up to 4-4-2 and we've beaten Peterborough and drawn with Orient scoring 5 in the process. I could never say a Pressley team will be defensively solid, but watch us take off and replicate the first part of last seasons form in the 4-4-2.
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But we had an 8 match unbeaten run when Reda was playing using 5-3-2, don't get me wrong I think it is shit to watch but it does work sometimes.
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #68
Buster said:
I think its been said before -- sucess on the pitch leads to bigger crowd ,leads to higher gate , and on to more income . If while trying to achieve this you sell your best players your , for want of a better word Fu@ked. Ambition is the key to it all . If SISU dont show any ,at least we can. I still think we could fill the stadium with a good side
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Of course but also some club are bigger than others, and have bigger fan bases. Villa are and were a bigger club than us.


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Ashdown

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #69
Buster said:
I think its been said before -- sucess on the pitch leads to bigger crowd ,leads to higher gate , and on to more income . If while trying to achieve this you sell your best players your , for want of a better word Fu@ked. Ambition is the key to it all . If SISU dont show any ,at least we can. I still think we could fill the stadium with a good side
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Quite, you have to show some ambition at some point and with a club like Coventry with the potential support we could generate if we had a modicum of success, you have to give it a go at some point. SISU did throw some money at it 5/6 years ago but the cash was largely wasted and the wages paid were ridiculous to average players. That experience I suppose has dulled the appetite for 'taking a punt'.
 

LJC_CCFC

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  • Nov 5, 2014
  • #70
letsallsingtogether said:
But we had an 8 match unbeaten run when Reda was playing using 5-3-2, don't get me wrong I think it is shit to watch but it does work sometimes.
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Yeah there is certainly a time and a place for it, but from MK onwards we were dreadful playing it. Both the Posh and Orient games reminded me of the first part of last year, we can only hope the defence (REDA) can hold stronger than last year.
 
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