TomRad85
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No not really, as i've been saying over and over
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robbiethemole
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WHO fucking cares??? you're a long time resident on here, but fuck me mate, you act like a 12 year old kid over this.
TomRad85
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You put a poo emoji on my post, your high ground disappeared at that point. I've simply been putting the facts down to you and have taken the time to look through the chances you describe as clear cut. They aren't and most people don't agree with you. That's the end of it really, not sure why you can't just enjoy a good win.
Shannerz
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No, nothing clear cut, but a couple they could have made more of.
They obviously had the shot off the post, and there was one quite late on where it seemed to open up on the edge of the box for one of their forwards, but he hit it straight at Rushworth.
Based on chances / half chances across the game, the score seems about right.
fernandopartridge
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xG for the Header 0.04Whittaker had a header right after the start of the 2nd half that he should have buried. If Haji missed that we would be saying he missed a ‘sitter’
78th minute, Ayling shot straight at rushworth where it was easier to score. Another where if it was Haji, we’d be saying it was a sitter.
McGree 85th minute, good chance, not a sitter
88th minute, Sene, absolute sitter missed 2yds from goal, although It would have been offside.
so, 3 good chances to score, all of which we would have labelled as sitters if it was our strikers missed them.
@fernandopartridge you should take more water with it mate
xG for 78th minute chance (Strelec) 0.06
xG for 85th minute chance for McGree 0.05
We had eight efforts with a higher xG than the excluding the penalty
olderskyblue
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Why one earth do you think I didnt enjoy the feeling??
you can do that and still analyse the game.
CovveeBreak
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This whole “clean through” conversation reminds me of the old “club legend” definition of yonder year. Good times 
olderskyblue
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I’ve never bothered to try and understand what xG is or means tbh, I’m not sure how it affects the game I watched, but I have seen comments on here talk about how chances they’ve seen could have such a low/high xG?
however, I didn’t mention the chances we had as I was commenting on how good a team I thought they looked, and how we upped our game to beat them, and need to keep at that level for the rest of the season.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The numbers are the probability of that goal being scored from that same position based on all the other times someone has been in that position.
olderskyblue
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Who decides that, the same people who decide on VAR decisions.
but thanks for the explanation. So it has nothing to do with the ability of the person, or wither it is an attacker or defender in that position?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well you just gather a whole load of data from all the times someone has been in that position.Who decides that, the same people who decide on VAR decisions.
but thanks for the explanation. So it has nothing to do with the ability of the person, or wither it is an attacker or defender in that position?
For reference, the xG of a penalty is 0.76, which means on average you expect it to be scored about 76% of the time.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s gone down in the last two seasons too
Brighton Sky Blue
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Bit surprised by that, I've generally been very impressed in recent years by the standard in penalty taking in various shootouts. Just goes to show how skilled Mr Wright is at taking them, must be on 90%+ for them here.
alexccfc99
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Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match
If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis
Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious
Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November
If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis
Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious
Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well you can understand why, and we'd be the same. Win 6 games in a row playing good football and overturning a huge lead to go top, expect they'll be back on top within 2 games anyway.
That said...as much credit as I give them for that run, we had to enter relegation form for over a dozen games to give them the opportunity.
Hobo
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The forward line is dangerous, especially Whittaker. Connelly can get in great positions but perhaps only scores one in four chances.
If you are judging them on last night alone you are a fool. Also you are missing the point of what a good job we did on them. You might be having a wank over their midfield but we disrupted it. Which is why their forwards looked toothless.
Ccfcisparks
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who is connelly
Jamesimus
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I imagine he means Conway
Skybluefaz
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Once a teacher...
Jamesimus
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It’s to be expected, with the appointment of Hellberg and their uptick in form, they’re bound to think this could finally be their year and it still could be.
Skybluefaz
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According to Sky Sports stats.
We had 3 clear chances, they had 0.
We had 3 clear chances, they had 0.
Ipad Boro
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Normally there's a mix on there. There's the doom amd gloom bedwetters, the ridiculously carried away, but the overwhelming majority are in between as you'd imagine.
Deep down, the mentality of the nearest to average Boro fan is fearing the worst, but when form is better than it has been for a decade or so, a lot make the most of it because they don't know when they'll get the chance to again.
Jamesimus
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Most of you that I know up here are your traditional perennially miserable football fan, and that’s a trait I am familiar with.
edgy
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Don't agree sorry. Conway is bang average. Whittaker whilst ok, fairly quick is weak and generally wasteful. No just based on last night. Ask any Boro fan and their forward line is their weakness.
This is an oddly aggressive post by the way. Relax.
Jamesimus
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That is because we were the better team. They got bullied 1st half, we sat in and let them have the ball 2nd half and waited to counter.
Jamesimus
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Most Boro fans reckon they are desperate for a proper number 9.
Ccfcisparks
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i’m sure there’s one guy on here who will tell you
Hobo
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Sorry brain fart Conway… but I know you know who I mean. Just wait until you get to my age and have so many players names swimming in your head
shmmeee
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He won't get a full season with pre-season etc until next one obviously, whatever league we're in. I take your point about judging him over a full season mind as Carrick was brilliant for us for half a season (though in his defence he did have the mother of injury lists for a few years) and he was the ultimate example of a manager who is too inflexible.
You're right about the physicality element, unfortunately whilst we're very skillful, we don't have many big lads, so I imagine given a pre-season, he'd recruit a few "Tony Pulis" type players to bring on should we need them against the sides who like to mix it up a bit. I do fear it's a side of our game that's lacking and it's a learning curve after all. In a way with our current players unfortunately we don't have sufficient personel to be able to muscle and ram our way through games so there was less Hellberg could do, other than change shape and make subs with different skillsets which tbf to him did show, up until the penalty. It's not that Hellberg doesn't have a Plan B, he's highly reactive, but the players we need in a blood and thunder barging off the ball game are limited and it's blatent we're lacking height for the long balls game. You could logically level some blame at recruitment there, but less at Kim himself.
As for expecting to win most games, that's simply where the bar has been set. We're creatures of habit, expect to win where results thus far dictate we're likely to, expect to lose the Hoodoos as obviously those results dictate the opposite.
As for Hoodoos not being an actual thing...How else would you explain 7 losses on the bounce home and away with different mangers, different form, different players and different league standings at the time? Coincidence only goes so far until it's improbable. How else would you explain your never having won at Deepdale or 20 years of hurt against Norwich? It's why I've been saying for ages on here that we were likely to lose this game, though it was seen as ridiculous by a lot.
I get that they might be part mental blocks etc, as they do weigh on the mind somewhat. But they exist mate, and the proof is right in front of you. Denying their existence only risks more pain in the long run. And if the miracle happens and they eventually get broken it's like winning a cup.
Do you believe in ghosts?
Hobo
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Conway offers a lot of energy and gives a lot of defensive cover. So these things come with a trade off.
Ask Boro fans and their forward line is their weakest?
Ask Cov fans and Wright, Simms and BTA are shit. Alot would have sold them in the summer or even this January: But 33 goals between them.Please don’t ask me to ask fans for an opinion
fernandopartridge
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No he knocked that didlio out in the first round
Ipad Boro
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That seems like a fair description of my late Dad, bless him. Every so often he allowed himself the chance to get carried away by a particularly spirited performance, but usually he'd fear the absolute worst.
I asked him once why he supported them if they made him so miserable (I was about 5 at the time and whilst I was a fan because my Dad was, hadn't quite caught the whole hometown group consciousness thing, yet at that stage that I feel glory supporters are actually missing out on) He told me that the Boro will always let you down, but he loved them regardless and one day, probably not in his lifetime, maybe not in mine, but perhaps in my kids' or indeed theirs, they may actually win something big as we were the oldest and highest historically average league placed club remaining to have never won a major honour in over a century. (it was the early 80s)
Ironically enough amongst others (as it was a May tradition around my birthday) I can also remember watching the 87 FA Cup final with him when I was 10. He said normally if it were Spurs against a side like Everton or Liverpool, he'd root for them as both Merseyside clubs had already won LOTS, but as it was Coventry he wanted them to win as they were a club a lot like us so they deserved it more and if they could win it then there might just be hope that we could win something, someday. I remember him beaming from ear to ear when your second went in and telling me excitedly "He's a Boro lad an all, think your Auntie Katie used to babysit him!"
He was delighted for you winning in the end and for once took something as a positive kind of omen for us too, which was unique by itself as almost everything was a harbinger of doom I thought. Perhaps he was extra buoyed by the fact that we'd actually ceased to exist a year earlier which was scary, only to brought back to life by a twenty-something Steve Gibson and a consortium assembled.
We of course went on to finally win something of note nearly 17 years later which I was over the moon that he was around to witness. The strange thing was when we did, his mood more than anything was just speechless incredulity, he was absolutely dumbfounded that such a thing had happened, as deep down I think he still thought that it couldn't be possible.
Such is the mindset of a lot of Boro fans. It's why a fair few of us, though rational adults that otherwise know that witchcraft, horoscopes etc are to be taken extremely sceptically, consider football Hoodoos and omens to have a degree of realism to them that makes them stand out amongst it all. History has taught many generations of Boro fans before our own that there's substance to them, borne out and proven through lifetimes of overall failure from our club, and that deep-seated fear naturally gets passed down from each Generation to the next.
And when you're a kid, the word of your parents is gospel, you know? Even when you grow up some of that remains.
Ipad Boro
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I keep an open mind. I don't conclusively believe in their existence or absence, instead I reason that it's beyond my understanding, with my experience inconclusive with proving it in my mind one way or the other.
My parents were both catholic and they did. While I'm lapsed in that religious regard from my upbringing, my Dad's certainty and my Mam's (who's still alive) that life after death was a very real thing still has some effect on me, I'd be lying if I said otherwise.
I think whilst I'm definitely not taking it that they definitely do to any firm degree, a part of me will always think "What if?"
shmmeee
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OK makes sense.
Ccfcisparks
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Ok you are winning me over