TomRad85
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No not really, as i've been saying over and over
No not really, as i've been saying over and overYes, you’re right. Apologies.
but, he turned Lati and only had to bend it round Rushworth to score. Our other defenders were not between him and the goal when he shot.
do you think they had really good chances to score another couple of goals?
WHO fucking cares??? you're a long time resident on here, but fuck me mate, you act like a 12 year old kid over this.Yes, you’re right. Apologies.
but, he turned Lati and only had to bend it round Rushworth to score. Our other defenders were not between him and the goal when he shot.
do you think they had really good chances to score another couple of goals?
You put a poo emoji on my post, your high ground disappeared at that point. I've simply been putting the facts down to you and have taken the time to look through the chances you describe as clear cut. They aren't and most people don't agree with you. That's the end of it really, not sure why you can't just enjoy a good win.this is the level of discussion you drop down to FFS? When you resort to this, it throws any credibility you may have out the window.
No, nothing clear cut, but a couple they could have made more of.It is just semantics but I think most people when they hear ‘through on goal’ think being sent through one v one against the keeper. Even discounting that though, I can’t remember a clear cut chance for them apart from the goal.
Certainly nothing comparable to Tommy Conway’s chance in the reverse fixture.
xG for the Header 0.04Whittaker had a header right after the start of the 2nd half that he should have buried. If Haji missed that we would be saying he missed a ‘sitter’
78th minute, Ayling shot straight at rushworth where it was easier to score. Another where if it was Haji, we’d be saying it was a sitter.
McGree 85th minute, good chance, not a sitter
88th minute, Sene, absolute sitter missed 2yds from goal, although It would have been offside.
so, 3 good chances to score, all of which we would have labelled as sitters if it was our strikers missed them.
@fernandopartridge you should take more water with it mate
Why one earth do you think I didnt enjoy the feeling??why the fuck are you doing this??? WE WON enjoy the feeling ffs!!!
I’ve never bothered to try and understand what xG is or means tbh, I’m not sure how it affects the game I watched, but I have seen comments on here talk about how chances they’ve seen could have such a low/high xG?xG for the Header 0.04
xG for 78th minute chance (Strelec) 0.06
xG for 85th minute chance for McGree 0.05
We had eight efforts with a higher xG than the excluding the penalty
The numbers are the probability of that goal being scored from that same position based on all the other times someone has been in that position.I’ve never bothered to try and understand what xG is or means tbh, I’m not sure how it affects the game I watched, but I have seen comments on here talk about how chances they’ve seen could have such a low/high xG?
however, I didn’t mention the chances we had as I was commenting on how good a team I thought they looked, and how we upped our game to beat them, and need to keep at that level for the rest of the season.
Who decides that, the same people who decide on VAR decisions.The numbers are the probability of that goal being scored from that same position based on all the other times someone has been in that position.
Well you just gather a whole load of data from all the times someone has been in that position.Who decides that, the same people who decide on VAR decisions.
but thanks for the explanation. So it has nothing to do with the ability of the person, or wither it is an attacker or defender in that position?
It’s gone down in the last two seasons tooWell you just gather a whole load of data from all the times someone has been in that position.
For reference, the xG of a penalty is 0.76, which means on average you expect it to be scored about 76% of the time.
Bit surprised by that, I've generally been very impressed in recent years by the standard in penalty taking in various shootouts. Just goes to show how skilled Mr Wright is at taking them, must be on 90%+ for them here.It’s gone down in the last two seasons too
Well you can understand why, and we'd be the same. Win 6 games in a row playing good football and overturning a huge lead to go top, expect they'll be back on top within 2 games anyway.Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match
If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis
Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious
Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November
The forward line is dangerous, especially Whittaker. Connelly can get in great positions but perhaps only scores one in four chances.Excellent midfield but not much elsewhere. Their forward line isn't great.
Also been reading how this Hellberg and his coaches are far superior to our lot. No they aren't. They are just blessed with that excellent midfield.
who is connellyThe forward line is dangerous, especially Whittaker. Connelly can get in great positions but perhaps only scores one in four chances.
If you are judging them on last night alone you are a fool. Also you are missing the point of what a good job we did on them. You might be having a wank over their midfield but we disrupted it. Which is why their forwards looked toothless.
who is connelly
Once a teacher...Well you just gather a whole load of data from all the times someone has been in that position.
For reference, the xG of a penalty is 0.76, which means on average you expect it to be scored about 76% of the time.
It’s to be expected, with the appointment of Hellberg and their uptick in form, they’re bound to think this could finally be their year and it still could be.Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match
If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis
Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious
Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November
Normally there's a mix on there. There's the doom amd gloom bedwetters, the ridiculously carried away, but the overwhelming majority are in between as you'd imagine.Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match
If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis
Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious
Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November
Normally there's a mix on there. There's the doom amd gloom bedwetters, the ridiculously carried away, but the overwhelming majority are in between as you'd imagine.
Deep down, the mentality of the nearest to average Boro fan is fearing the worst, but when form is better than it has been for a decade or so, a lot make the most of it because they don't know when they'll get the chance to again.
The forward line is dangerous, especially Whittaker. Connelly can get in great positions but perhaps only scores one in four chances.
If you are judging them on last night alone you are a fool. Also you are missing the point of what a good job we did on them. You might be having a wank over their midfield but we disrupted it. Which is why their forwards looked toothless.
According to Sky Sports stats.
We had 3 clear chances, they had 0.
Don't agree sorry. Conway is bang average. Whittaker whilst ok, fairly quick is weak and generally wasteful. No just based on last night. Ask any Boro fan and their forward line is their weakness.
This is an oddly aggressive post by the way. Relax.
i’m sure there’s one guy on here who will tell youMost Boro fans reckon they are desperate for a proper number 9.
Sorry brain fart Conway… but I know you know who I mean. Just wait until you get to my age and have so many players names swimming in your headwho is connelly
He won't get a full season with pre-season etc until next one obviously, whatever league we're in. I take your point about judging him over a full season mind as Carrick was brilliant for us for half a season (though in his defence he did have the mother of injury lists for a few years) and he was the ultimate example of a manager who is too inflexible.
You're right about the physicality element, unfortunately whilst we're very skillful, we don't have many big lads, so I imagine given a pre-season, he'd recruit a few "Tony Pulis" type players to bring on should we need them against the sides who like to mix it up a bit. I do fear it's a side of our game that's lacking and it's a learning curve after all. In a way with our current players unfortunately we don't have sufficient personel to be able to muscle and ram our way through games so there was less Hellberg could do, other than change shape and make subs with different skillsets which tbf to him did show, up until the penalty. It's not that Hellberg doesn't have a Plan B, he's highly reactive, but the players we need in a blood and thunder barging off the ball game are limited and it's blatent we're lacking height for the long balls game. You could logically level some blame at recruitment there, but less at Kim himself.
As for expecting to win most games, that's simply where the bar has been set. We're creatures of habit, expect to win where results thus far dictate we're likely to, expect to lose the Hoodoos as obviously those results dictate the opposite.
As for Hoodoos not being an actual thing...How else would you explain 7 losses on the bounce home and away with different mangers, different form, different players and different league standings at the time? Coincidence only goes so far until it's improbable. How else would you explain your never having won at Deepdale or 20 years of hurt against Norwich? It's why I've been saying for ages on here that we were likely to lose this game, though it was seen as ridiculous by a lot.
I get that they might be part mental blocks etc, as they do weigh on the mind somewhat. But they exist mate, and the proof is right in front of you. Denying their existence only risks more pain in the long run. And if the miracle happens and they eventually get broken it's like winning a cup.
Conway offers a lot of energy and gives a lot of defensive cover. So these things come with a trade off.Don't agree sorry. Conway is bang average. Whittaker whilst ok, fairly quick is weak and generally wasteful. No just based on last night. Ask any Boro fan and their forward line is their weakness.
This is an oddly aggressive post by the way. Relax.
No he knocked that didlio out in the first roundI imagine he means Conway
That seems like a fair description of my late Dad, bless him. Every so often he allowed himself the chance to get carried away by a particularly spirited performance, but usually he'd fear the absolute worst.Most of you that I know up here are your traditional perennially miserable football fan, and that’s a trait I am familiar with.
I keep an open mind. I don't conclusively believe in their existence or absence, instead I reason that it's beyond my understanding, with my experience inconclusive with proving it in my mind one way or the other.Do you believe in ghosts?
I keep an open mind. I don't conclusively believe in their existence or absence, instead I reason that it's beyond my understanding, with my experience inconclusive with proving it in my mind one way or the other.
My parents were both catholic and they did. While I'm lapsed in that religious regard from my upbringing, my Dad's certainty and my Mam's (who's still alive) that life after death was a very real thing still has some effect on me, I'd be lying if I said otherwise.
I think whilst I'm definitely not taking it that they definitely do to any firm degree, a part of me will always think "What if?"
Ok you are winning me overI keep an open mind. I don't conclusively believe in their existence or absence, instead I reason that it's beyond my understanding, with my experience inconclusive with proving it in my mind one way or the other.
My parents were both catholic and they did. While I'm lapsed in that religious regard from my upbringing, my Dad's certainty and my Mam's (who's still alive) that life after death was a very real thing still has some effect on me, I'd be lying if I said otherwise.
I think whilst I'm definitely not taking it that they definitely do to any firm degree, a part of me will always think "What if?"
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