fatso
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But according to some on here, Dom is the new Bobby Moore now he's moved to Blackburn!
But according to some on here, Dom is the new Bobby Moore now he's moved to Blackburn!400 championship games in the prime of his career. Called it early on but some people like a figure to hate. Seems the pile on has moved to Allen or Godden now. Bidwell definitely up there for PotS so far.
Tbf whole defence is more solid. Doesn't have the attacking threat of a Maatsen from last season or the pace of JCS and we're arguably less balanced with the left footers, but we never kept back to back clean sheets let alone 3 on the spin. 3.5 since Rose went off injured at Luton 2nil down. Was he the problem? Is it a case of Dom who? Really cant wait to have this team with Hamer and O'Hare available too.
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400 championship games in the prime of his career. Called it early on but some people like a figure to hate. Seems the pile on has moved to Allen or Godden now. Bidwell definitely up there for PotS so far.
Tbf whole defence is more solid. Doesn't have the attacking threat of a Maatsen from last season or the pace of JCS and we're arguably less balanced with the left footers, but we never kept back to back clean sheets let alone 3 on the spin. 3.5 since Rose went off injured at Luton 2nil down. Was he the problem? Is it a case of Dom who? Really cant wait to have this team with Hamer and O'Hare available too.
It's looking like a virtually new team next season isn't it. Sell Hamer, O'Hare, *and* Gyokeres, lots out of contract, and use the cash and wages to bring in just about everybody!beyond summer 2023 we have zero CBs under contract which is very worrying
YukLast night on a few occasions he also covered the inside of Panzo.
It's looking like a virtually new team next season isn't it. Sell Hamer, O'Hare, *and* Gyokeres, lots out of contract, and use the cash and wages to bring in just about everybody!
I can kind of see the logic of an overhaul, that we have lots of league one level, and a few assets who need to be moved on if they're not to end up going for nothing. I also remember reading somewhere that players stop listening to managers after a while, so if the manager doesn't want to be changed, he has to change the players really!Its time to bring back Bobby Gould
How have we got into this mess
I can kind of see the logic of an overhaul, that we have lots of league one level, and a few assets who need to be moved on if they're not to end up going for nothing. I also remember reading somewhere that players stop listening to managers after a while, so if the manager doesn't want to be changed, he has to change the players really!
Problem is, if it's too big a shift then it ends up too disjointed and all a bit of a gamble. We'd have no defence bar Bidwell, midfield would be Allen and Sheaf and, and attack would be Godden and Tavares.
We probably need a few more than that hanging around!
Is always a risk, Westwood chose to see out his contract after all.I would think there is a distinct possibility Hamer will not leave and go back to Holland on a free. Imagine if the other 2 decided to do the same. Dave Bamber get out of retirement now
I can kind of see the logic of an overhaul, that we have lots of league one level, and a few assets who need to be moved on if they're not to end up going for nothing. I also remember reading somewhere that players stop listening to managers after a while, so if the manager doesn't want to be changed, he has to change the players really!
Problem is, if it's too big a shift then it ends up too disjointed and all a bit of a gamble. We'd have no defence bar Bidwell, midfield would be Allen and Sheaf and, and attack would be Godden and Tavares.
We probably need a few more than that hanging around!
I forgot Palmer in there tbf. Also hadn't realised we had an option on Dabo, which you'd assume would be taken up as much he seems good to have around the place. I'd expect McFadzean and Kelly to go tbh. Rose had his chance to play himself into a new contract, but looks to have blown it at present.Assuming we dont also sell Sheaf, which is a possibility, I make it this we’re building on top of if the big three and all out of contracts go:
Moore
?? ?? ??
Dabo Allen Sheaf Bidwell
Palmer
Godden Tavares
Of course we could not take up the clause on Dabo and sell Sheaf as well, maybe Moore might want to go too.
Realistically I think we’ll struggle to get much for Hamer and he’ll end up going on a free the season after, and we’ll renew Fadz and Kelly and probably pick up a CB in Jan.
Losing Hilßner Dacosta, Walker, Waghorn alone would be a huge help to the budget though.
I forgot Palmer in there tbf. Also hadn't realised we had an option on Dabo, which you'd assume would be taken up as much he seems good to have around the place. I'd expect McFadzean and Kelly to go tbh. Rose had his chance to play himself into a new contract, but looks to have blown it at present.
You could make an argument for McFadzean, and also as a stand-in when needed. Kelly's played so little recently that you'd struggle though wouldn't you, unless you saw something in him to make him worthy of player-coach.Just wonder if he’ll want them around to build the squad ethos as reliable captains who he trusts.
Moore
?? ?? ??
Dabo Allen Sheaf Bidwell
Palmer
Godden Tavares
Does this side get out of League One? I'd assume yes if you can keep the midfield together, but big question marks up front and literally question marks at the back!
Most would want to leave if in League 1
Yeah, Bidwell and Sheaf would surely be sold, and I doubt we could afford to keep Palmer. The scale of the rebuild next year is ridiculous whether we stay up or not.
You could make an argument for McFadzean, and also as a stand-in when needed. Kelly's played so little recently that you'd struggle though wouldn't you, unless you saw something in him to make him worthy of player-coach.
I hope the relegation clause is sisu f””k off, hopefully before xmas.I would assume (hope) that there are relegation clauses as there were promotion clauses in all contracts - though I do wonder about Hamer and O Hare.
If the reduction matches the increase it would be around 40% so no one is wanting to stick around for that - our wage bill is around £17 - £20m - that would have to be reduced to around £6 - £7m if relegated
I would assume (hope) that there are relegation clauses as there were promotion clauses in all contracts - though I do wonder about Hamer and O Hare.
If the reduction matches the increase it would be around 40% so no one is wanting to stick around for that - our wage bill is around £17 - £20m - that would have to be reduced to around £6 - £7m if relegated
We’re not going to get relegated this year you lemon.
I didn’t say we are but clubs have to project such scenarios as you can’t make that a fact can you? So players will have to have clauses or if that did happen what then?
He is right about the clauses though. It was one of the main things that shafted us when coming down from the top flight, not thinking to put such clauses in. We've alsoonly had two seasons at this level, so it wouldn't be a total surprise to the outside world if we went down. If Bidwell and Moore didn't have such a clause that would be negligent, given they're probably not cheap.If we go down we likely sell £20m of talent and release an entire team of players. That’s where we start from. Well be fine financially. Well also be at a level we can sustain ourselves without owner input.
If we go down we likely sell £20m of talent and release an entire team of players. That’s where we start from. Well be fine financially. Well also be at a level we can sustain ourselves without owner input.
I admire your optimism - the values would drop considerably on relegation and hamer and Gyokeres could easily sign overseas deals in advance and leave for free
Well this is really cheering me up
It should do, if we’re going to go down this is our best season to do it, before we have to sign basically a whole squad on Championship wages and likely 3 year deals.
It should do, if we’re going to go down this is our best season to do it, before we have to sign basically a whole squad on Championship wages and likely 3 year deals.
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