Bayliss off? (3 Viewers)

covcity4life · Aug 2, 2019

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mr_monkey said:
Wind your neck in.... 2 million for someone who struggled in league 1 last year is incredible, and there will be a hefty sell on clause attached to that as well. A bit like Madison I think bayliss with thrive in the championship with more time to do things so it's win win for both the club and him

he didnt strugglr in league 1 and maddison 9m looks terrible compared to what he will go for now. some talents we need to be the ones that benefit!

skybluebeduff · Aug 2, 2019

We've got until 12pm today to register any new player ready for tomorrow. I highly doubt we'll get one in that early, unless Preston loan us someone in the deal.

fernandopartridge · Aug 2, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
We're in a far, far worse position.

Yep. Arguably as bad as it's ever been

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Deleted member 5849 · Aug 2, 2019

skybluebeduff said:
We've got until 12pm today to register any new player ready for tomorrow. I highly doubt we'll get one in that early, unless Preston loan us someone in the deal.

Not so concerned about that, any player we got would effectively be playing blind wouldn't they, with no time to train with their teammates. We could definitely do with a forward now, though.

gspotgaz · Aug 2, 2019

It was inevitable he’d go. Eve of the season is shit timing but who’s really surprised. Kills the mood a bit for tomorrow

SBAndy · Aug 2, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Yep. Arguably as bad as it's ever been

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You’re on a real downer aren’t you. Cheer up, can you honestly say ya selling one of our brightest prospects on the eve of the season is a surprise?

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 2, 2019

SKYBLUES90 said:
Anyone who thinks 2 million for Bayliss is a good deal needs their head looking at.

I'm with you on this. People were saying we got a good deal on Maddison (dig out my posts and you'll find I wasn't one of them). Considering our owners play hardball on most of this, I'm gutted that they didn't use the leverage of approaching deadlines to get nearer the £3m, However, if they have negotiated a decent % (say 25%) of sell on profit, then I am less concerned, as long as we replenish the squad (which looks light- especially in midfield)

SBAndy · Aug 2, 2019

Sky Blue Harry H said:
I'm with you on this. People were saying we got a good deal on Maddison (dig out my posts and you'll find I wasn't one of them). Considering our owners play hardball on most of this, I'm gutted that they didn't use the leverage of approaching deadlines to get nearer the £3m, However, if they have negotiated a decent % (say 25%) of sell on profit, then I am less concerned, as long as we replenish the squad (which looks light- especially in midfield)

Whilst I don’t disagree with you, that again seemed like a situation where the club were actively seeking to sell to raise funds. Really limits negotiation when you start from such a base. Whilst we’re on fairly insecure financial footing, we’re never going to be in the best position to realise our perceived value of players.

covcity4life · Aug 2, 2019

this is a big blow, he can play in a 3, a 2 or as number 10

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Aug 2, 2019

I love Bayliss, was a joy to watch at times. Not many players can glide past players like he can. Yes he made mistakes and is very raw and I'd even say last season was disappointing but he'd still be a huge asset to us this season. Having said that, given our current situation a rumoured fee of £2million+ makes sense given his streaky form last season. The thing that most annoys me about the whole thing is people going 'Same every season!', 'Typical SISU cashing in' but are also refusing to go to this season. I am guessing these people have never been involved in business, but to survive (not in the league but in financial sense, as in still exist as a club) we have to be financially viable or we end up like Bury or Bolton. For this to happen, we either need arses on seats or to sell players, it's the most basic level of business imaginable.

better days · Aug 2, 2019

Personally I think this is Mark Robins' decision
He knows where we are short and probably has players in mind
Under FFP rules clubs at our level need to stay within spending limits which probably is one of the biggest factors
Tom hadn't been starting games pre season so this looks like a plan
Let's give MR a chance to show us what the plan is
He's done ok so far

SBAndy · Aug 2, 2019

better days said:
Personally I think this is Mark Robins' decision
He knows where we are short and probably has players in mind
Under FFP rules clubs at our level need to stay within spending limits which probably is one of the biggest factors
Tom hadn't been starting games pre season so this looks like a plan
Let's give MR a chance to show us what the plan is
He's done ok so far

I’m of the same impression, but I kind of wish he’d come out and say “this is all part of the bigger plan”. Mind, if he said that the Facebook forum would drown in slobber with all the dribbling.

Hobo · Aug 2, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Yeah "some players need to go" you assume fringe players or deadwood, not the most saleable assets.

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It depends. If a top player is sold but replaced with two or three decent players it can move the team forward.

However it seems SISU, unsurprisingly, arent going to reinvest; so yes a frustrating policy.

Many of the remaining fan base, having to endure another move out of the city, will understanably have a brittle resilience to poor team performance.

Customer satisfaction has never seemed high on SISU's priority list unfortunately.

PVA · Aug 2, 2019

Bayliss is a good prospect but is half the player Maddison was when we sold him. £2m (plus addons and sell on clauses) is not a bad deal.

the rumpo kid · Aug 2, 2019

We had some glimpses of westbrooke last season ,now he will have the chance to step up and.make his own mark as a play maker. Good luck lad.

Colin Steins Smile · Aug 2, 2019

Whilst I would have preferred to have retained Bayliss to develop him further, but the economic truth is that the club doesn't generate enough money at the moment to retain talent.
From my perspective it's important that the club survives until a multi billionaire with more money than sense decides a 3rd Division football club with no ground or assets is a sound investment.

Liquid Gold · Aug 2, 2019

A season long loan back would be good in this instance. Knows he’s here for the season so should knuckle down, doesn’t seem to be a bad apple and we’re now light in the area.

ccfchoi87 · Aug 2, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
A season long loan back would be good in this instance. Knows he’s here for the season so should knuckle down, doesn’t seem to be a bad apple and we’re now light in the area.

That would be ideal but I don’t think Preston will have signed him to be loaned out again.

better days · Aug 2, 2019

ccfchoi87 said:
That would be ideal but I don’t think Preston will have signed him to be loaned out again.

Agreed

procdoc · Aug 2, 2019

he’ll feature heavily for Preston. They’re not paying a club record fee to loan him out

Liquid Gold said:
A season long loan back would be good in this instance. Knows he’s here for the season so should knuckle down, doesn’t seem to be a bad apple and we’re now light in the area.

Littlewood CCFC · Aug 2, 2019

covcity4life said:
this is a big blow, he can play in a 3, a 2 or as number 10

Nah, if the rumoured transfer fee is to be believed its great business. He was bang average last season however it will only be great buisness if Mark's given some of the funds to bring in bright or someone of similar ability by end of window

cc84cov · Aug 2, 2019

shmmeee said:
Agreed. £3m due to a release clause is one thing. £2m seems low. Then again he’s obviously had his head turned by all the bags and didn’t exactly set the world alight last season.

Disappointing.

I don’t think he’s had his head turned not like it’s some massive premiership club he’s goig too more like the club have touted him out as we need cash fast.

ajsccfc · Aug 2, 2019

I was under no illusion he'd be with us forever but it still hurts that little bit more when a homegrown player leaves, although to be honest I was a little surprised we still had him at this point. Unless this move has been on the cards a while losing what I assume was still a first team player on the eve of the season concerns me.

ccfcway · Aug 2, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
A season long loan back would be good in this instance. Knows he’s here for the season so should knuckle down, doesn’t seem to be a bad apple and we’re now light in the area.

not convinced they will have paid £2m to loan him to a league one club where he will likely sit on the bench

Evo1883 · Aug 2, 2019

Not sure why people think a club like us who relies on its income can turn away 3 million pound for 2 players, baffling tbh

Liquid Gold · Aug 2, 2019

I don't think he's quite Championship ready, fair play if he gets game time there, it will improve him, but even Maddison had to spend a year in Scotland. It would be better long term for Preston to maximise his value by loaning him out and getting him up to speed.

cc84cov · Aug 2, 2019

Panic signings incoming I feel

hill83 · Aug 2, 2019

I always like to think it’s not about individuals, anyone can come in or go, ultimately if we’ve got a game plan it’s about the team as a whole. But this is an annoying one. And I know we aren’t even a medium sized club anymore whatever the size of the club actually actually means. But Preston for fuck sake.

The Leicester prick

hill83 · Aug 2, 2019

cc84cov said:
Pjanic signing incoming I feel

Thinks he’s still got 2 years on his contract at Juve pal

Also, I trust our scouts. No signing will be a panic signing. They’ll be on the list, however far down the list that is. But they’ll have been thoroughly scouted.

wingy · Aug 2, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Not sure why people think a club like us who relies on its income can turn away 3 million pound for 2 players, baffling tbh

Like the Six fields season
To fund an exceptional loss.

standupforcity · Aug 2, 2019

No bothered...never one of my favourites...lazy... so I'm glad the speculation is over!

Evo1883 · Aug 2, 2019

Tom bayliss can glide past a player I will give you that, but was always extremely frustrated with the way he went about doing the basics.
Do our fans not in any way shape or form think they are over rating him somewhat, a player who has played all over the midfield and has 7 assists in 74 games is hardly a player that oozes the quality that some are suggesting, James Maddison was absolute levels above Tom tbh.
1 assist in 10, 1 goal in 8

Liam Kelly played less and assisted as many last season and he sat in our back 4 all season lol

2 million is good money

I genuinely think people are giving Tom way too much credit for doing very little

cc84cov · Aug 2, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Tom bayliss can glide past a player I will give you that, but was always extremely frustrated with the way he went about doing the basics.
Do our fans not in any way shape or form think they are over rating him somewhat, a player who has played all over the midfield and has 7 assists in 74 games is hardly a player that oozes the quality that some are suggesting, James Maddison was absolute levels above Tom tbh.
1 assist in 10, 1 goal in 8

2 million is good money

Agreed

mark82 · Aug 2, 2019

shmmeee said:
The clubs owners said they would cover the costs of the move (as they should as they are the ones wanting to continue gambling on court action). Not sure you can now say we had to sell players because of it. To be honest both sales seem more like managed football decisions than things forced on us by the move.

We still have to meet FFP criteria though.

oldskyblue58 · Aug 2, 2019

Just a question if Bayliss is being sold to fund the shortfall because of playing at St Andrews how does that leave surplus funds to buy players?

Also most deals are structured in terms of payment so are we sure it will be £2m up front or is it over a longer period? That affects the club's ability to buy in this transfer window. Same with the Chaplin deal

The concern i have with Bayliss going (and £2m isnt a bad fee) is that it leaves the squad thin in terms of depth as it stands when we get the inevitable injuries.

Always going to need to sell players simply to keep the club afloat. Which hints to me that there is no major funds or backing coming from the owners. They remain in my opinion as the "bank of last resort" they have been in recent seasons

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