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Are CWR and CET just SISU puppets? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Jan 9, 2014
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Moff

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #36
italiahorse said:
You can blindly accept it but not me. Local radio and papers should not be the puppets of a hedge fund from London, particularly not going along with their propaganda.
They should get the facts for their customers.
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Well instead of being a keyboard warrior on a forum, what have you done about addressing this with the BBC and Mirror?

Have you written to the Director General or perhaps the Chief Exec....or not?
 
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Matty_CCFC

New Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #37
italiahorse said:
Cwr Currently saying that the site at Hawkesbury looks like the new CCFC site and all but saying it has been confirmed by Nuneaton Council. Talk about getting some scratchings and turning it into a story. Follows on from the CET front page this morning.

Surely they should be doing some investigative journalism instead of feeding themselves off the carcass of CCFC fans feelings where we are scratting for information. Get into SISU ACL and CCC to find out what's going on you vultures.
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Yes they ar in my view.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #38
italiahorse said:
Cwr Currently saying that the site at Hawkesbury looks like the new CCFC site and all but saying it has been confirmed by Nuneaton Council. Talk about getting some scratchings and turning it into a story. Follows on from the CET front page this morning.

Surely they should be doing some investigative journalism instead of feeding themselves off the carcass of CCFC fans feelings where we are scratting for information. Get into SISU ACL and CCC to find out what's going on you vultures.
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How are CWR vultures? Why should they be carrying out 'investigative' journalism when the parties involved clearly will not disclose anything to the public? What's the point?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #39
italiahorse said:
14:00 Friday. Yet again a CWR story matching together 2 separate pieces of information.

"Nuneaton Council confirm they have had an enquiry about a plot of land in Hawkesbury" .......... or there abouts.

Do your job and investigate it properly instead of giving out misinformation. :facepalm:
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Have you ever thought that perhaps it's a new story? Maybe it isn't the story you were reading about yesterday (where the site wasn't even mentioned)?
 
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skybluetom

Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #40
bigfatronssba said:
Are you saying that neither of them have an opinion on the subject?
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Of course they do, everyone has an opinion but they try to remain objective acknowledging that this whole mess isn't solely the fault of Sisu. As I say some of the rewriting of history I've heard from certain fans is insane. Loads of the blame lies at Sisu's door for this but the Council and previous administrations are also at fault.

It's also their job to create debate, if it was constant Sisu bashing week in and week out from C&W and the Telegraph reading the paper and listening to the radio would be boring quite frankly.
 
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AndreasB

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #41
Oh dear. More biased than the Daily Mail or The Sun or not?
 
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AndreasB

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #42
Nasty Londeners. Knew we couldnt trust them. They have infiltrated our free press and they are now working for SISU.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
 

Colonel Mustard

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #43
skybluefred said:
You mean like when the left wing BBC are reporting on politics,The most biased organisation on the planet.
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Memo to Fox News: must try harder.

Could you go to the BBC website, pick through any of their political reporters' stories or blogs, and point out an example of bias, please?
 

Colonel Mustard

New Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #44
italiahorse said:
You can blindly accept it but not me. Local radio and papers should not be the puppets of a hedge fund from London, particularly not going along with their propaganda.
They should get the facts for their customers.
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I imagine CWR and the CT don't have the budgets to do that kind of investigative journalism. But in any case, what kind of facts are you after?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #45
Colonel Mustard said:
I imagine CWR and the CT don't have the budgets to do that kind of investigative journalism. But in any case, what kind of facts are you after?
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The facts he's made up in his head probably.
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #46
fernandopartridge said:
The facts he's made up in his head probably.
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Are they any different from the ones In Fishers and Labovitch's heads.
 
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Houdi

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #47
Colonel Mustard said:
Memo to Fox News: must try harder.

Could you go to the BBC website, pick through any of their political reporters' stories or blogs, and point out an example of bias, please?
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Mark Thompson ex Director General of the BBC is on public record as admitting a bias, or you could try Jane Garvey of BBC 5 live comments ,or Peter Sissons ex BBC News 24 views of BBC bias, Andrew Marr's BBC political journalist admission of a cultural liberal bias.All funded by a compulsory license fee.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #48
skybluefred said:
You mean like when the left wing BBC are reporting on politics,The most biased organisation on the planet.
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With Nick Robinson that foaming leftie as the Politics Editor it's no surprise.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #49
wingy said:
Are they any different from the ones In Fishers and Labovitch's heads.
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No, they're not.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #50
Houdi said:
Mark Thompson ex Director General of the BBC is on public record as admitting a bias, or you could try Jane Garvey of BBC 5 live comments ,or Peter Sissons ex BBC News 24 views of BBC bias, Andrew Marr's BBC political journalist admission of a cultural liberal bias.All funded by a compulsory license fee.
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Long may it continue, because the alternative, Murdoch funded Sky News is much better.
 

Colonel Mustard

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #51
Houdi said:
Mark Thompson ex Director General of the BBC is on public record as admitting a bias, or you could try Jane Garvey of BBC 5 live comments ,or Peter Sissons ex BBC News 24 views of BBC bias, Andrew Marr's BBC political journalist admission of a cultural liberal bias.All funded by a compulsory license fee.
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That is not evidence. That's the opinion of four individuals, some of whom may be pandering to the right and/or confusing bias with personal opinion. Their opinion is no more or less valid than other senior BBC management and talent who say there is no bias. It doesn't matter what a BBC employee's politics may be, so long as they present stories in an objective light.

I am more interested in examples of bias at work. If the BBC is as biased as the Daily Mail and its parrots say, then the bias should be clear and widespread. There is the challenge: point some out some biased stories from the week.
 
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Colonel Mustard

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #52
lordsummerisle said:
With Nick Robinson that foaming leftie as the Politics Editor it's no surprise.
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and Old Etonian and Cameron contemporary James Landale as his deputy. Or former Murdoch editor/climate change denier/Spectator chairman Andrew Neil, heading up much of the BBC's political coverage. All having The Internationale as their ringtones, I'm sure.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #53
Colonel Mustard said:
I imagine CWR and the CT don't have the budgets to do that kind of investigative journalism. But in any case, what kind of facts are you after?
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it took 5 minutes on google for someone to find 2 links then post them on here to the site that the CET keep refering too as the posssible site for the new stadium and how its been overturned twice by central goverment for housing as its green belt despite being approved locally. 2 articles now in the CET and unless i've missed it neither have any mention on this.

now when you talk about budgets for investigative journalism are you seriously suggesting that the CET neither have the budget for internet access or to pay someone for 5 minutes to use it. hell, if thats the case Simon Gilbert is welcolm to pop round mine and use our internet for free in the interest of a balanced article stating ALL the facts connected to the site he's been speculating on. if their that hard up he can even stay for dinner.
 
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Houdi

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #54
fernandopartridge said:
Long may it continue, because the alternative, Murdoch funded Sky News is much better.
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The difference between buying Conservative newspapers like the Daily Telegraph/Mail and left of centre newspapers like the Guardian/Mirror or even subscribing to Sky is they are voluntary choices , but if you own a TV you have to pay for the BBC whether you wish too or not.
 

Colonel Mustard

New Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #55
skybluetony176 said:
it took 5 minutes on google for someone to find 2 links then post them on here to the site that the CET keep refering too as the posssible site for the new stadium and how its been overturned twice by central goverment for housing as its green belt despite being approved locally. 2 articles now in the CET and unless i've missed it neither have any mention on this.

now when you talk about budgets for investigative journalism are you seriously suggesting that the CET neither have the budget for internet access or to pay someone for 5 minutes to use it. hell, if thats the case Simon Gilbert is welcolm to pop round mine and use our internet for free in the interest of a balanced article stating ALL the facts connected to the site he's been speculating on. if there that hard up he can even stay for dinner.
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The internet is merely one part of investigative journalism. If it were all that was needed, then the conspiracy theorists on this forum would have dug up all that was needed to know by now. As things stand, there still isn't a photo of Joy Seppala's face.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #56
Houdi said:
The difference between buying Conservative newspapers like the Daily Telegraph/Mail and left of centre newspapers like the Guardian/Mirror or even subscribing to Sky is they are voluntary choices , but if you own a TV you have to pay for the BBC whether you wish too or not.
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I assume you don't consume any of the BBC's output then?
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #57
Colonel Mustard said:
and Old Etonian and Cameron contemporary James Landale as his deputy. Or former Murdoch editor/climate change denier/Spectator chairman Andrew Neil, heading up much of the BBC's political coverage. All having The Internationale as their ringtones, I'm sure.
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Kind of the point i was making(though spectatcularly missed!), former Chairman of The Young Conservatives at Oxford I believe.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #58
Colonel Mustard said:
The internet is merely one part of investigative journalism. If it were all that was needed, then the conspiracy theorists on this forum would have dug up all that was needed to know by now. As things stand, there still isn't a photo of Joy Seppala's face.
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so you're saying Simon Gilbert is guilty of lazy journalism as he cant even be bothered to turn his computer on and get all the facts that concern the site he has continued to speculate on over the last 2 days?

or is it a case of dont let the truth get in the way of a good story?
 

Colonel Mustard

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #59
lordsummerisle said:
Kind of the point i was making(though spectatcularly missed!), former Chairman of The Young Conservatives at Oxford I believe.
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Oh, I got the reference - was just backing it up with more examples of the Beeb's lefty cronyism!
 

Colonel Mustard

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #60
skybluetony176 said:
so you're saying Simon Gilbert is guilty of lazy journalism as he cant even be bothered to turn his computer on and get all the facts that concern the site he has continued to speculate on over the last 2 days?
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Um, I believe you are the one saying that.

or is it a case of dont let the truth get in the way of a good story?
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If you are insinuating that the Coventry Telegraph is a weak newspaper, then you will get no disagreement from me. All I am saying is that it is silly to expect the CT to do serious investigative journalism when many broadsheets and TV news networks have pared that to the bone. It's also questionable whether SISU are worth investigating. What are the hot leads that justify using up the paper's limited budget?
 
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #61
At best, the headline was misleading when compared to the FOI responses from the Trust. I would have thought that the more valid story lay there. As for the BBC, they are the most reliable and consistent organisation that we have - that is not to say that they get it wrong sometimes of course. I tend to use their website for news (partly for work purposes) and there has at times been stuff that is obsolete and incorrect.
 

Bill Glazier

Active Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #62
Surely it's be preferable to lose access privileges and retain the ability to criticise Sisu. What Sisu is doing in taking the club hostage is totally morally wrong and that needs to be said.
 
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Houdi

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #63
fernandopartridge said:
I assume you don't consume any of the BBC's output then?
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I didn't say that, indeed a lot of what the BBC does is good and entertaining. However how can you just dismiss the frank admission of its ex Director General of bias, he was at the very top of the organisation. Jane Garvey has worked for the BBC for years, and her words not mine ,that her abiding memory of May2nd 1997 was that the corridors of BBC tv studios were awash with empty bottles of champagne. Or the near six figure sum the BBC spent of license payer's money fighting a FOI request on who attended a BBC conference on Global warming.
 
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Noggin

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #64
Colonel Mustard said:
Um, I believe you are the one saying that.



If you are insinuating that the Coventry Telegraph is a weak newspaper, then you will get no disagreement from me. All I am saying is that it is silly to expect the CT to do serious investigative journalism when many broadsheets and TV news networks have pared that to the bone. It's also questionable whether SISU are worth investigating. What are the hot leads that justify using up the paper's limited budget?
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I don't think anyone is expecting expensive investigative journalism from a local paper, it however is not to much to expect that they spend a couple of hours on the phone/internet researching/investigating per article, not to much to expect that when someone feeds them spin for them to challenge it rather than happily print it without comment and not to much to expect for them to make their articles reflect the truth.

If you arn't very knowledgeable in what is happening reading the last couple of articles would leave you believing the new stadium is much more than likely to happen than before, that sisu are being honest and that the location they mentioned is reasonably likely, however the truth is the last few days has actually shown more than ever that there is no stadium, that sisu continue to lie to us (lies happily printed by the cet without challenge) and even if sisu were really building one that the location the cet mentioned is certainly not the right one.

I don't think they are puppets, im sure they are just trying to sell papers, but in terms of informing their readers of what is actually happening and getting to the truth they are very very poor and we've been greatly let down by them.

Still better than the Daily Mail though of course.
 

Colonel Mustard

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #65
Houdi said:
I didn't say that, indeed a lot of what the BBC does is good and entertaining. However how can you just dismiss the frank admission of its ex Director General of bias, he was at the very top of the organisation.
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That quote from Mark Thompson deserves full context:

Which brings us to the question of the BBC's politics and the frequent accusations of bias. Thompson says this has been a problem. "In the BBC I joined 30 years ago [as a production trainee, in 1979], there was, in much of current affairs, in terms of people's personal politics, which were quite vocal, a massive bias to the left. The organisation did struggle then with impartiality. And journalistically, staff were quite mystified by the early years of Thatcher.

“Now it is a completely different generation. There is much less overt tribalism among the young journalists who work for the BBC. It is like the New Statesman, which used to be various shades of soft and hard left and is now more technocratic. We're like that, too. We have an honourable tradition of journalists from the right [working for us]. It is a broader church. The BBC is not a campaigning organisation and can't be, and actually the truth is that sometimes our dispassionate flavour of broadcasting frustrates people who have got very, very strong views, because they want more red meat. Often that plays as bias. People think: 'Why can't they come out and say they are bastards?' And that can play out on left and right."

http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2010/09/lecture-thompson-bbc-interview
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #66
Houdi said:
I didn't say that, indeed a lot of what the BBC does is good and entertaining. However how can you just dismiss the frank admission of its ex Director General of bias, he was at the very top of the organisation. Jane Garvey has worked for the BBC for years, and her words not mine ,that her abiding memory of May2nd 1997 was that the corridors of BBC tv studios were awash with empty bottles of champagne. Or the near six figure sum the BBC spent of license payer's money fighting a FOI request on who attended a BBC conference on Global warming.
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Indeed, the New Labour era was certainly characterised by their socialist tendencies. What was it Mandelson said around the election again?

What's global warming got to do with being left wing bias?
 

Colonel Mustard

New Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #67
Noggin said:
I don't think anyone is expecting expensive investigative journalism from a local paper, it however is not to much to expect that they spend a couple of hours on the phone/internet researching/investigating per article, not to much to expect that when someone feeds them spin for them to challenge it rather than happily print it without comment and not to much to expect for them to make their articles reflect the truth.

If you arn't very knowledgeable in what is happening reading the last couple of articles would leave you believing the new stadium is much more than likely to happen than before, that sisu are being honest and that the location they mentioned is reasonably likely, however the truth is the last few days has actually shown more than ever that there is no stadium, that sisu continue to lie to us (lies happily printed by the cet without challenge) and even if sisu were really building one that the location the cet mentioned is certainly not the right one.

I don't think they are puppets, im sure they are just trying to sell papers, but in terms of informing their readers of what is actually happening and getting to the truth they are very very poor and we've been greatly let down by them.

Still better than the Daily Mail though of course.
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I agree with all of that. The CT is a weak newspaper.
 

italiahorse

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #68
Moff said:
Well instead of being a keyboard warrior on a forum, what have you done about addressing this with the BBC and Mirror?

Have you written to the Director General or perhaps the Chief Exec....or not?
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I have complained to CWR.
Isn't a keyboard warrior someone who critisises someone on the forum for saying something because no one knows them.

A bit like yourself ?
 

italiahorse

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  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #69
fernandopartridge said:
Have you ever thought that perhaps it's a new story? Maybe it isn't the story you were reading about yesterday (where the site wasn't even mentioned)?
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There were 2 stories yesterday. This today brings them together as if it's true.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2014
  • #70
italiahorse said:
I have complained to CWR.
Isn't a keyboard warrior someone who critisises someone on the forum for saying something because no one knows them.

A bit like yourself ?
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Yep, just like you, and I dont deny it.

The point I was making is that you are so indignant about CWR and Trinity Mirrors reporting on here, why not speak to them and complain, as I think you might have more joy that way than just complaining on a faceless forum.
 
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