Andy Goode

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Yes. I give what I get. Want to post the abuse I’ve given Pete. Or Mark. Or RobbieKeane. Or anyone else that addresses what I say and doesn’t move straight to screeching at the sight of my username?
Can you point out where I have personally abused you in this thread that caused you to start giving it loads to me?

Unless of course I didn't and it was just you misunderstanding again.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
I have no idea, but if I try to explain, use incorrect terminology or make false statements or assert things I can't back up you'd pull me up on it.
That's exactly what people are doing with Andy Goode. Difference is I wouldn't try to present my self as an expert on the situation but he tries to so he's there to be shot at.

Plus he follows Tucker Carslon and Wayne Lineker on Twitter so he's definitely for watching!
Again, would people have an issue with Tynan Scope posting a factually incorrect statement?

Goode knows full well what he is doing, he does it all the time. It's for PR, nothing more.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hadji's_Goatee

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
No, what Andy Goode has done is contradict himself. What he has done is also bullshit about Wasps being sued, when they aren't.

The misunderstandings from people like Andy Goode are intentional, which is why when he is questioned about them he shits himself. You seem to lose your head about that though.

Was he just using incorrect terms when he was commenting on about it being made up there was an issue with their accounts too?

If you struggle to read things that are actually said or you feel you are victimised by people questioning you and forcing you to backtrack, maybe sit it out.
Im losing my head at the absolute batshittery on display here. I was hoping as you’re so confident you might have an argument other than the “aha! It’s not legal ackshually and it’s not against Wasps ackshually iamverysmart” that I’ve already addresses as not a fruitful disagreement.

Do you agree that the general issue is a wide ranging indemnity against any action against the Ricoh? Not the current state aid process. Let’s start there.
 

Hadji's_Goatee

Well-Known Member
May 31, 2016
359
305
113
Shmmeee telling us the details of the indemnity...
The sticking point is a wide ranging indemnity basically ensuring Wasps can stay at the Ricoh come what may from what I can tell.
Shmmeee moving the goals posts...
We don’t know the details of the indemnity at all.
At best you are a confused fellow, who is letting the emotion of not playing in Cov override any logical thought. At worse you're a planted agitator.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Im losing my head at the absolute batshittery on display here. I was hoping as you’re so confident you might have an argument other than the “aha! It’s not legal ackshually and it’s not against Wasps ackshually iamverysmart” that I’ve already addresses as not a fruitful disagreement.

Do you agree that the general issue is a wide ranging indemnity against any action against the Ricoh? Not the current state aid process. Let’s start there.
This is exactly what I meant when I said you want to try and take threads miles away from the topic of them when people from Wasps or CCC are made to look silly.

Are Wasps being sued by CCFC or SISU? No, it's a fact.

The only person in this thread being batshit is you, as you do on all threads like this when somebody from Wasps or CCC are made to look silly.
 

djr8369

Well-Known Member
Jun 9, 2018
2,288
1,286
113
This is what I mean about not using the right legal terms. No one is suing wasps right now but the point of the state aid claim is to open up the chance to sue in future.

Put aside pedantry about terms for a minute, the overarching issue here is Sisu want to try and reverse the sale of the lease to Wasps and Wasps don’t want that, can we agree on that?

Whether that is done by suing Wasps directly, complaining about the council, or some other route, is irrelevant. It’s the general principle. You can’t just say “I won’t do anything against Wasps” and leave a massive loophole where you can achieve the same thing by attacking someone else. That’s the issue. The club don’t want to relinquish those rights and Wasps do.

So when you say “aha! It’s not a legal process iamverysmart!” You’re missing the point entirely. When you say “aha!The state aid complaint can’t be withdrawn iamverysmart!” You’re missing the point entirely.

What Wasps are asking for (and again I should make it clear I’m not making a value judgement about that request just tying to get the facts clear) is a wide ranging promise that Sisu won’t try anything, legal or not, directly against Wasps or not, that would result in the Ricoh sale being reversed. Then Wasps can go to lenders and say “That whole thing is cool guys, I’m not a risk”.

Ive got to say, this whole conversation would go a lot smoother if you could stop trying to be clever and snarky and just state clearly what you think the situation is and your reasoning for it.
I don’t disagree with you but he is contradicting himself by saying they won’t do a deal while they can be “sued” and that the club randomly pulled out.

It is easy for us as fans to be biased so I think you make some valid points regarding how people are very loosely using legal terms and that any form of intervention risks wasps but they entered negotiations knowing the EU stuff is on-going. There is also the issue that the chance of any intervention happening and benefitting the club if it does happen seem remote so I hope for all our sakes that is not SISUs only plan.
 
  • Like
Reactions: shmmeee

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
Shmmeee telling us the details of the indemnity...

Shmmeee moving the goals posts...

At best you are a confused fellow, who is letting the emotion of not playing in Cov override any logical thought. At worse you're a planted agitator.
Sigh. This isn’t hard is it. Of course we don’t know The exact details as no one has seen it. But from the statements of both Sisu and Wasps we can make some assumptions. If you’d like to challenge those assumptions with logic and facts please go ahead. If you’d like to intentionally play stupid so you can throw insults kindly GFYS.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Sigh. This isn’t hard is it. Of course we don’t know The exact details as no one has seen it. But from the statements of both Sisu and Wasps we can make some assumptions. If you’d like to challenge those assumptions with logic and facts please go ahead. If you’d like to intentionally play stupid so you can throw insults kindly GFYS.
But it is you playing stupid again? You are trying your hardest to get away from the thread.

Andy Goode has tried to bullshit, being questioned, contradicted himself in the process.

You now want to make it into a discussion the same as on the Boddy thread about the indemnity.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
But it is you playing stupid again? You are trying your hardest to get away from the thread.

Andy Goode has tried to bullshit, being questioned, contradicted himself in the process.
No. I’m the only one addressing the thread rather than using it as an other opportunity to take their frustration out on someone who disagrees.

My point, from the start, is that to say “aha Wasps aren’t being sued!” Isn’t helpful. No technically this is true. However the overarching issue is that they might be. And whenever you see someone saying “legals” or “sued” or “suing Wasps” it’s far more helpful to understand that as a layman meaning all attempts to make Wasps position at the Ricoh insecure and not evidence of a wide ranging conspiracy and people lying.

A bit of common sense and faith in humanity is all I’m asking. It’s all I’ve ever asked. You’re the only one that sees us as enemies mate.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Iancro

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Right here;
I suggest you back away from the computer, that's a bit desperate.

Especially as you threw out this banger:

I’ve explained already how your lack of reading comprehension makes you angry at things that aren’t there
If you want to try and patronise about intelligence and people being sensitive, I'd expect you to be half-intelligent in the same thread and not act like a victim all of the time.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
No. I’m the only one addressing the thread rather than using it as an other opportunity to take their frustration out on someone who disagrees.

My point, from the start, is that to say “aha Wasps aren’t being sued!” Isn’t helpful. No technically this is true. However the overarching issue is that they might be. And whenever you see someone saying “legals” or “sued” or “suing Wasps” it’s far more helpful to understand that as a layman meaning all attempts to make Wasps position at the Ricoh insecure and not evidence of a wide ranging conspiracy and people lying.

A bit of common sense and faith in humanity is all I’m asking. It’s all I’ve ever asked. You’re the only one that sees us as enemies mate.
You aren't addressing the thread, you are trying to get it away from Andy Goode looking a dick.

You did exactly the same when it came out Wasps were talking to CCC years ago.

It is simple, are wasps being sued by CCFC or SISU? No, that's a fact.
Has he contradicted himself? Yes, that's a fact.

It is you being pedantic, it is you misreading, it is you trying your hardest to find something that isn't there to be angry about.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hadji's_Goatee

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
I don’t disagree with you but he is contradicting himself by saying they won’t do a deal while they can be “sued” and that the club randomly pulled out.

It is easy for us as fans to be biased so I think you make some valid points regarding how people are very loosely using legal terms and that any form of intervention risks wasps but they entered negotiations knowing the EU stuff is on-going. There is also the issue that the chance of any intervention happening and benefitting the club if it does happen seem remote so I hope for all our sakes that is not SISUs only plan.
Ive got no opinion on the club “pulling out” until we see more. Could be Wasps knew and intentionally let the deadline pass, could be Wasps thought the deadline didn’t mean the end of negotiations, just that they’d start the season in Brum, could be that Wasps didn’t know. None sound particularly great.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
No one is suing Wasps, City agreed to sign a binding agreement not to sue Wasps and no one is planning on Suing Wasps in the future.

It's pretty simple really
Yeah but Shmmeee can't have anybody from Wasps or CCC look silly.

He will be posting tin foil hat GIFs soon.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Ive got no opinion on the club “pulling out” until we see more. Could be Wasps knew and intentionally let the deadline pass, could be Wasps thought the deadline didn’t mean the end of negotiations, just that they’d start the season in Brum, could be that Wasps didn’t know. None sound particularly great.
I’ve explained already how your lack of reading comprehension makes you angry at things that aren’t there
He was asking you about Goode contradicting. Answer the question.

Did he contradict himself?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
No one is suing Wasps, City agreed to sign a binding agreement not to sue Wasps and no one is planning on Suing Wasps in the future.

It's pretty simple really
Very simple. Except that’s not what Wasps asked for. They wanted a wider ranging agreement that would restrict the clubs legal rights against third parties too, right?

You can think it’s worth staying away for five years to avoid giving away those legal rights, that’s a genuine disagreement among the fan base and where we might actually disagree.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Very simple. Except that’s not what Wasps asked for. They wanted a wider ranging agreement that would restrict the clubs legal rights against third parties too, right?

You can think it’s worth staying away for five years to avoid giving away those legal rights, that’s a genuine disagreement among the fan base and where we might actually disagree.
What are you going on about?

Nobody mentioned what Wasps asked for, they asked "Are CCFC suing Wasps?" The answer is No.

It is as simple as that. So factually, somebody who works for Wasps in a Commercial Aspect is wrong. He also has a pretty bad track record when he has tried to do the same PR trick previously.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
He was asking you about Goode contradicting. Answer the question.

Did he contradict himself?
Hahaha. Fuck it. Live by pedantry die by pedantry: there’s no question mark in that post Nick. He’s not asking anything.

I couldn’t give a flying fuck if he’s contradicting himself. My entire point was about Knowl et al missing the point. Give me a minute and I’ll do close read if you’re really interested.
 

SBT

Well-Known Member
Sep 14, 2012
430
206
43
I would actually be interested in a discussion about whether Wasps have a right to be upset about the EU complaint bought by SISU (which Andy Goode seems to be conflating with a lawsuit). Mainly because it seems like a pretty big deal in terms of us resolving this stadium bullshit and I could do with getting clued up on it. But apparently this is a two-man internet pissing contest instead. If anyone can pass a link on, much appreciated.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
Feb 28, 2015
6,000
2,286
163
Very simple. Except that’s not what Wasps asked for. They wanted a wider ranging agreement that would restrict the clubs legal rights against third parties too, right?

You can think it’s worth staying away for five years to avoid giving away those legal rights, that’s a genuine disagreement among the fan base and where we might actually disagree.
I was simply addressing the claims about suing Wasps.

I'm happy now to never go back to the Ricoh as I just can't see how we can co-exist there.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Hahaha. Fuck it. Live by pedantry die by pedantry: there’s no question mark in that post Nick. He’s not asking anything.

I couldn’t give a flying fuck if he’s contradicting himself. My entire point was about Knowl et al missing the point. Give me a minute and I’ll do close read if you’re really interested.
How have they missed the point?

You started off by saying I was incorrect in something I said, then you were mistaken and now it's all about Knowl. Stop moving the goalposts. There is a whole thread about indemnity.

Don't try to patronise when you are the one looking the c**t for not grasping things. You are making the same mistake people like CJ and the Trust did, make out everybody is thick as fuck but in reality they aren't the brightest themselves and can be seen straight through.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. You look like a dick when you throw stones and then threaten to put somebody on ignore for daring to ask you to back your shit up.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bugsy

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
I was simply addressing the claims about suing Wasps.

I'm happy now to never go back to the Ricoh as I just can't see how we can co-exist there.
Welcome, I've been there for about four years. Join me in demanding progress on a new ground.

I was simple explaining how the confusion between 'suing Wasps' and 'legals' and whatever else is a distraction from the main point. Pointless pedantry that doesn't prove someone is trying to mislead, simply that they aren't a lawyer and you should take those words to mean 'all that crap around the Ricoh'.

I just want people to get what the actual issue is here as a lot of people get very angry. From what I can tell from everything both sides have said the issue is that Wasps want 'all that crap' to stop and Sisu want to retain the right to continue it. I am more than happy to be proven wrong, if someone can make a case that that isn't the case. But no one has done that yet so that's still my working theory. In fact the more I enter these sorts of threads and state that and the more content free angry responses I get, the more convinced I am that everyone need to calm the fuck down and get clear on the actual issues again.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Welcome, I've been there for about four years. Join me in demanding progress on a new ground.

I was simple explaining how the confusion between 'suing Wasps' and 'legals' and whatever else is a distraction from the main point. Pointless pedantry that doesn't prove someone is trying to mislead, simply that they aren't a lawyer and you should take those words to mean 'all that crap around the Ricoh'.

I just want people to get what the actual issue is here as a lot of people get very angry. From what I can tell from everything both sides have said the issue is that Wasps want 'all that crap' to stop and Sisu want to retain the right to continue it. I am more than happy to be proven wrong, if someone can make a case that that isn't the case. But no one has done that yet so that's still my working theory. In fact the more I enter these sorts of threads and state that and the more content free angry responses I get, the more convinced I am that everyone need to calm the fuck down and get clear on the actual issues again.
Yes, he is saying it exactly to try and distract from the main point.

You don't need to be a lawyer to grasp that. You would expect somebody employed by Wasps in a Commercial Role would know that surely?

Does it mean when he told everybody that the media were wrong for questioning issues with the Wasps accounts was just because he wasn't an accountant? You did know what Wasps were fucked off by their auditors, right?

The only person trying to be pedantic and distracting in this thread is you.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2011
24,995
15,204
263
Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
How have they missed the point?

You started off by saying I was incorrect in something I said, then you were mistaken and now it's all about Knowl. Stop moving the goalposts. There is a whole thread about indemnity.

Don't try to patronise when you are the one looking the c**t for not grasping things. You are making the same mistake people like CJ and the Trust did, make out everybody is thick as fuck but in reality they aren't the brightest themselves and can be seen straight through.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. You look like a dick when you throw stones and then threaten to put somebody on ignore for daring to ask you to back your shit up.
I've not moved the goal posts Nick. I can't make this any clearer:

When Andy Goode (or anyone who is not a lawyer) says thing like 'stop suing Wasps' or when Wasps or the council talk about 'dropping legals' that should be taken as a generic phrase meaning 'drop all attempts to reverse the Ricoh sale'. When you get very angry about Sisu signing a letter promising not to sue Wasps and why won't Wasps accept that, I explain that from what I can read Wasps are asking for a wider ranging commitment than that.

I can post my reasoning for that if you are interested. I have several times before and never had it challenged, just the usual screams of 'propaganda' and 'moving the goal posts' or whatever else.

I can only promise you that I did not sign up for this site nine years ago as a council sleeper agent just in case Sisu ever decided to break the lease. I'm just giving my honest reading of things in the hope that if they are wrong I will be corrected and get a better understanding. I'm just a CCFC fan, like you, trying to understand what's going on with my club. I don't believe in conspiracies or people being evil for the sake of it so try and see all sides. If this isn't allowed on here feel free to ban me, or if you've got issues with my reasoning feel free to post it, but the constant character attacks and avoiding what I'm actually saying are getting very very tiring.

As for the accounts, I have no idea, they don't interest me, I don't care about Wasps. At best it seems like your argument is 'this person was wrong/lying about something once therefore we shouldn't even look at what he's saying and just assume he's always wrong/lying'. That's your prerogative, but I don't work like that.
 

Hadji's_Goatee

Well-Known Member
May 31, 2016
359
305
113
Ive got no opinion on the club “pulling out” until we see more. Could be Wasps knew and intentionally let the deadline pass, could be Wasps thought the deadline didn’t mean the end of negotiations, just that they’d start the season in Brum, could be that Wasps didn’t know. None sound particularly great.
But that's just all Shmmeeersay
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
I've not moved the goal posts Nick. I can't make this any clearer:

When Andy Goode (or anyone who is not a lawyer) says thing like 'stop suing Wasps' or when Wasps or the council talk about 'dropping legals' that should be taken as a generic phrase meaning 'drop all attempts to reverse the Ricoh sale'. When you get very angry about Sisu signing a letter promising not to sue Wasps and why won't Wasps accept that, I explain that from what I can read Wasps are asking for a wider ranging commitment than that.

I can post my reasoning for that if you are interested. I have several times before and never had it challenged, just the usual screams of 'propaganda' and 'moving the goal posts' or whatever else.

I can only promise you that I did not sign up for this site nine years ago as a council sleeper agent just in case Sisu ever decided to break the lease. I'm just giving my honest reading of things in the hope that if they are wrong I will be corrected and get a better understanding. I'm just a CCFC fan, like you, trying to understand what's going on with my club. I don't believe in conspiracies or people being evil for the sake of it so try and see all sides. If this isn't allowed on here feel free to ban me, or if you've got issues with my reasoning feel free to post it, but the constant character attacks and avoiding what I'm actually saying are getting very very tiring.

As for the accounts, I have no idea, they don't interest me, I don't care about Wasps. At best it seems like your argument is 'this person was wrong/lying about something once therefore we shouldn't even look at what he's saying and just assume he's always wrong/lying'. That's your prerogative, but I don't work like that.
No, it is used purposely. Much the same as the Wasps guy kept saying "Drop the legal" when he spoke. Wasps aren't being sued.

The ECC would be against CCC.

The bloke works for Wasps, he repeatedly makes things up and misleads people if there's a chance Wasps look bad.

You mean you didn't know Wasps were caught out trying to bullshit their auditors? Shock.

There you go with your conspiracy talk, nobody is making up a conspiracy. The same as I haven't the other times I have pointed out facts and you have said it.

Don't moan about "character attacks" while in the same thread you have been trying the exact same thing, it doesn't work. It makes you look silly. If you want to give loads out and make things up about people, don't cry when you get a bit back or threaten when "the ignore button".

It probably is tiring for you now that people are seeing straight through people like Andy Goode, the same as you hated it when it came out about Wasps being in talks years before.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Wouldn't it be lovely if that was the focus. Club say that's the focus, let's all act on it, forget the rest, get behind something we can all have faith in as it develops, and give hope...
"Let's forget the past, let's all look forward" when it looks like somebody is wrong.
Then you start a thread about Woodlands?

Are we forgetting the past or just certain things here? That's what the Trust do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mr_monkey and Bugsy

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Fucking hell Nick, nuance ain't your thing. Black and white certainly is.
Just pointing out it's exactly what the Trust do.

"THE PAST IS THE PAST, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD"

Then go on about the past. If it's all about moving forward and not the past, why make a thread about the Woodlands?
 

NorthernWisdom

Well-Known Member
Apr 23, 2013
22,008
12,373
363
Just pointing out it's exactly what the Trust do.

"THE PAST IS THE PAST, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD"

Then go on about the past. If it's all about moving forward and not the past, why make a thread about the Woodlands?
Fucking hell. One day you'll join the dots and this board will be a better place for it.
 

Nick

Administrator
Feb 25, 2008
111,496
34,784
1,063
Coventry
Fucking hell. One day you'll join the dots and this board will be a better place for it.
It's pretty obvious, only particular things from the past can be discussed.

You literally made a thread about the Woodlands, the past.

Exactly the same way the Trust operates.