Grendel
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Correct - I remember games in the 80's where although there was no actual aggression the comments would have been worse than the average Millwall fan at the Den
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Correct - I remember games in the 80's where although there was no actual aggression the comments would have been worse than the average Millwall fan at the Den
Sky Blue Pete
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Yeah! It’s not often people are overtly racist in the civil service now but recently after George Flloyd we looked at our recruitment policy and found
At sift those getting through from Bame roughly reflect society. So say 10% of applications are from Bame and 10% of those getting through are from Bame
When it came to interview of those 10%the figure of those offered the job fell off a cliff!!
Now very little overt racism exists so what the hell is that about? I can’t believe people are marking people lower because of the colour of their skin and if they did they wouldn’t write it anywhere.
So what is it? Understanding what’s said? Putting people at ease?
I really don’t know but it’s a stain on everyone
At sift those getting through from Bame roughly reflect society. So say 10% of applications are from Bame and 10% of those getting through are from Bame
When it came to interview of those 10%the figure of those offered the job fell off a cliff!!
Now very little overt racism exists so what the hell is that about? I can’t believe people are marking people lower because of the colour of their skin and if they did they wouldn’t write it anywhere.
So what is it? Understanding what’s said? Putting people at ease?
I really don’t know but it’s a stain on everyone
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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There are now the claims from Essex and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if similar stories weren't coming out of a lot of counties. It's a game synonomous with being run by old middle-class white men. It has probably been ignored because as far as those running the game are concerned all of it is absolutely fine and there's no problem, and others were too scared to speak out for fear of what it would do to their careers.
Grendel
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How many cricket grounds have you been to in the 80’s and what’s your view?
Sky Blue Pete
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And worse they’ll be plenty who don’t think it’s wrong to make jokes or pick players because they can say their names more easily. We are at our worst a very us and them society. Cricket and other sports have such a responsibility to be places where all that shit doesn’t happen.
Thought Rafiq was excellent today. Lucid real, honest. Very reliable witness
Grendel
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It is worth pointing out he can make accusations without reprisal in that environment - he constantly said he didn’t want individuals named - but did name them. So now aspirations are cast on David Lloyd and Joe Root has amnesia at best.
Yorkshire is a very different animal to most other clubs - I’ve no doubt that a lot of what’s said is true but I cannot see how someone can be able to do this without any form of comeback at all
Sky Blue Pete
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Court of human opinion and Yorkshire had their chance and failed
Sky Blue Pete
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David Lloyd has apologised and Gary Ballance so I think his memory seems sound. Reliable if you will
Grendel
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According to the testimony today Ballances words were not considered an apology and Vaughan’s reputation is trashed
Brighton Sky Blue
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Vaughan probably won’t work in mainstream media again. Really bad look denying those comments.
Grendel
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It is trial by media
Sky Blue Pete
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They corroborated his evidence
Grendel
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Vaughan didn’t?
Sky Blue Pete
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True and he’s been quiet since and others to rafiq did
Grendel
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The point is it’s not a court of law. Rafiq could have said you were a racist today named you personally you could not do a thing about it.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep other than say it’s not true and be as credible
Sky Blue Pete
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Doesn’t excuse it but look at Tim Bresnans public comments. How hard is it?? Not very
Warwickshire said the report includes allegations of bullying against Rafiq by Bresnan regarding comments Bresnan made about Rafiq's weight.
They said: "We have spoken to Tim about this and he admits making such a comment. We understand there was no substantiated suggestion of racism against Tim, but he is devastated to learn of the impact of his comments."
Bresnan responded in a statement, stating: "I have been made aware of the bullying claims made against me and have listened to Azeem Rafiq's account of his time at Yorkshire CCC today with great distress, as I'm sure everyone will have done.
"For any part I played in contributing to Azeem Rafiq's experience of feeling bullied at Yorkshire, I apologise unreservedly."
Warwickshire said the report includes allegations of bullying against Rafiq by Bresnan regarding comments Bresnan made about Rafiq's weight.
They said: "We have spoken to Tim about this and he admits making such a comment. We understand there was no substantiated suggestion of racism against Tim, but he is devastated to learn of the impact of his comments."
Bresnan responded in a statement, stating: "I have been made aware of the bullying claims made against me and have listened to Azeem Rafiq's account of his time at Yorkshire CCC today with great distress, as I'm sure everyone will have done.
"For any part I played in contributing to Azeem Rafiq's experience of feeling bullied at Yorkshire, I apologise unreservedly."
Terry Gibson's perm
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Tim Paine has stood down after sending some sexy text messages to a colleague.
eastwoodsdustman
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I hope it wasn’t David warner
eastwoodsdustman
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In fact I do hope it was
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eastwoodsdustman
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She’s got form apparently.
Just seen paines statement and it smacks of him being replaced by smith for the ashes to me
Just seen paines statement and it smacks of him being replaced by smith for the ashes to me
Grendel
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oops
www.skysports.com
Azeem Rafiq apologises for antisemitic comments made in 2011 message exchange
Azeem Rafiq: I am ashamed of this exchange and have now deleted it so as not to cause further offence. I was 19 at the time and I hope and believe I am a different person today.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Another ball-tampering scandal?
David O'Day
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Vaughan was the first non Yorkshire born player they had on their books wasn't he?
eastwoodsdustman
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He Might have been on their books but Tendulker was the first non Yorkshire born player to play first class cricket for them.
SkyBlueSoul
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Harry Enfield in 1990...
eastwoodsdustman
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Warthog
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The BBC will regret cancelling Michael Vaughan
How cowardly of the BBC to axe Michael Vaughan from Test Match Special for the winter Ashes series on the basis of two words – ‘you lot’ – he might or might not have said more than twelve years ago. Is this really how the BBC wants to play this? Anyone can make accusations of
www.spectator.co.uk
Grendel
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The BBC will regret cancelling Michael Vaughan
How cowardly of the BBC to axe Michael Vaughan from Test Match Special for the winter Ashes series on the basis of two words – ‘you lot’ – he might or might not have said more than twelve years ago. Is this really how the BBC wants to play this? Anyone can make accusations of
It’s ridiculous - it’s trial by media, no right of defence and hung out to dry - the fiasco also now of BT Sports trying to find a way of not using Fox commentary for the Ashes as Vaughan is a pundit
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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He could always take out a civil suit for defamation...
tisza
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Agreed.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well some unfortunate tweets have also come to light.
