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Marty

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,246
Walker is the best forward at the club imo. Could hit 15-20 with the right partner.
 
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Cranfield Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,247
Sky Blue Pete said:
Me too
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I don’t think you have the pace for upfront Pete
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,248
Sky Blue Pete said:
Notice the many question marks
Do you doubt that Covid has had an impact?
Do you think bringing in an experienced championship striker is a bad idea?
Where does the money come from if not from attendance and transfer fees?

Thin air?

And we probably did lose less but we will still have lost lots. I don’t get it what’s the answer?

Sell the club and …. Invest money we don’t have
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This does highlight for failings on an ownership model that is focused entirely on the investor returns and not the football club or even the league it’s in
 

larry_david

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,249
Giz a signing today lads eh
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,250
Grendel said:
This does highlight for failings on an ownership model that is focused entirely on the investor returns and not the football club or even the league it’s in
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Fair
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,251
Marty said:
Walker is the best forward at the club imo. Could hit 15-20 with the right partner.
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Not slating the guy, looks a decent player but I don’t see this.
If I’m the opposing CB, I’d be pleased to see Walker over Gyokeres and Waghorn.
 

TomS91

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,252
Why are we suddenly against Waghorn? He looked like a good footballer on Sunday... I like Walker too by the way.
 
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larry_david

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,253
Walker needs to show more. I think that's very fair to say. He's got a clean late this season. Last season he missed pre season with us, then got Covid, then got injured, then was forced to play when he was clearly knackered.

Clean slate, new season, go do your thing Tyler Walker.
 

Somerset Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,254
I still think we won't have a set front two with 2 on the bench, I reckon that MR will rotate them around down to form, the opposition, injuries/resting, future fixtures and even changes of formation.
 
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ccfc_Tom

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,255
Somerset Sky Blue said:
I still think we won't have a set front two with 2 on the bench, I reckon that MR will rotate them around down to form, the opposition, injuries/resting, future fixtures and even changes of formation.
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Exactly how it should be
 
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Mr Panda

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,256
Walker is the only natural goalscorer if you're discounting Godden right now.

His run to tap in O'Hares cross pulled a couple of defenders out the way for Viktor to smash home.

I can't believe that Robins would offload him unless there's something we don't know. There's not much to pick from in terms of relatively recent high tally goalscorers across the divisions.

Create chances and the goals will come
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,257
Sky Blue Pete said:
Notice the many question marks
Do you doubt that Covid has had an impact?
Do you think bringing in an experienced championship striker is a bad idea?
Where does the money come from if not from attendance and transfer fees?

Thin air?

And we probably did lose less but we will still have lost lots. I don’t get it what’s the answer?

Sell the club and …. Invest money we don’t have
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I doubt COVID has cost us more than a bad season or transfer window TBH. I’d be surprised if it was more than a couple of million quid off the original budget all in once reduced costs, govenrment schemes, 3k fans giving money for nothing, etc are taken into account.

As for how the club are funded, that’s up to the owners but the fans are doing their bit by giving us an upper mid table attendance. If the owners can’t find a way to turn that into an upper mid table Championship side then they need to have a think about whether running a Championship football club is for them.
 

KG7

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,258
This is total speculation from me but thinking about the midfielder we might be after on loan and wondering if Danny Drinkwater might be an under the radar but ambitious and almost achievable target for us?

It's the last year of his contract so will want to have a good season...had some uninspiring loans to Premier League teams so you can't imagine he'd be wanted there...similar vein to the Matty James signing...
 
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Gibbo

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,259
Grendel said:
This does highlight for failings on an ownership model that is focused entirely on the investor returns and not the football club or even the league it’s in
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Unless owned by a 'sugar daddy' all football clubs are businesses requiring some kind of return. It's arguable that only Man City & PSG are not run as businesses. Liverpool & Man Utd certainly are, as are the German clubs. Barcelona are learning that they are too.

Before somebody suggests it, the fan-owned club model by definition limits success. Once a 'sugar daddy' comes to one club, everybody else is instantly under-capitalized and uncompetitive. It's a global game so having a specifically english set of ownership rules is a non-starter.

There is a model of the 'tolerable loss'. This has been common in the Championship - but unless you get promotion the losses accumulate and you end up in the poo - see Derby. It was costing them £40m a year to challenge for promotion. Eventually the owner got fed up.

It would best if all football clubs were run as businesses, the discipline would do them good. The problem is that too many of them are not. At the lower levels, external commercial activity like shirt sales is minimal as brand value non-existent. In lieu of that fans seem to expect some rich bugger to subsidise the fans' own hobby. Why on earth should they? Fans use the euphemism 'invest in the club' which really means 'you pay for my hobby'

There are two things that make football different. 1) the size of labour force i.e. players is tiny in relation to turnover - drives up wages and 2), uniquely the paying customers are part of the end product - as Covid has shown - so have some power. Although the fans themselves typically over-estimate that power - see Man Utd.

Here endeth the rant
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,260
KG7 said:
This is total speculation from me but thinking about the midfielder we might be after on loan and wondering if Danny Drinkwater might be an under the radar but ambitious and almost achievable target for us?

It's the last year of his contract so will want to have a good season...had some uninspiring loans to Premier League teams so you can't imagine he'd be wanted there...similar vein to the Matty James signing...
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He’s on £110k a week - even if Chelsea only wanted 10% paying it would be too much
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,261
shmmeee said:
I doubt COVID has cost us more than a bad season or transfer window TBH. I’d be surprised if it was more than a couple of million quid off the original budget all in once reduced costs, govenrment schemes, 3k fans giving money for nothing, etc are taken into account.

As for how the club are funded, that’s up to the owners but the fans are doing their bit by giving us an upper mid table attendance. If the owners can’t find a way to turn that into an upper mid table Championship side then they need to have a think about whether running a Championship football club is for them.
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Again think that’s fair about whether running the club at this level is for them.
 
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NortonSkyBlue

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,262
shmmeee said:
I doubt COVID has cost us more than a bad season or transfer window TBH. I’d be surprised if it was more than a couple of million quid off the original budget all in once reduced costs, govenrment schemes, 3k fans giving money for nothing, etc are taken into account.

As for how the club are funded, that’s up to the owners but the fans are doing their bit by giving us an upper mid table attendance. If the owners can’t find a way to turn that into an upper mid table Championship side then they need to have a think about whether running a Championship football club is for them.
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That’s the second time in a few days you have raised the money for nothing statement.
if I am not mistaken those that bought memberships got Ifollow for the season for games and a membership shirt. It was not a compulsory purchase, it was optional.
3500 memberships assisted the club through the dark days of COVID and allowed us to compete.
I think all of your other points are valid although the owners have stated their position clearly.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,263
shmmeee said:
I doubt COVID has cost us more than a bad season or transfer window TBH. I’d be surprised if it was more than a couple of million quid off the original budget all in once reduced costs, govenrment schemes, 3k fans giving money for nothing, etc are taken into account.

As for how the club are funded, that’s up to the owners but the fans are doing their bit by giving us an upper mid table attendance. If the owners can’t find a way to turn that into an upper mid table Championship side then they need to have a think about whether running a Championship football club is for them.
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Well they don’t mind what league we’re in though I guess if by some miracle we got into the top flight they’d be like the Oystons on steroids in siphoning off the windfall. With stealing the ground back no longer an option what really is their end game now-surely not this laughable idea of building the UoW bowl
 

better days

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,264
KG7 said:
This is total speculation from me but thinking about the midfielder we might be after on loan and wondering if Danny Drinkwater might be an under the radar but ambitious and almost achievable target for us?

It's the last year of his contract so will want to have a good season...had some uninspiring loans to Premier League teams so you can't imagine he'd be wanted there...similar vein to the Matty James signing...
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Two seasons back they wanted a loan fee of £14m for him for a single season
He won the league with Leicester and cashed in
But I wonder if he'll regret the move to Chelsea after he's retired and realises how many extra games he could have played had he not taken the Russian money
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,265
Can we have a loan signing today please.
 

better days

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,266
djr8369 said:
Can we have a loan signing today please.
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Suspect it's pretty imminent
 
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KG7

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,267
better days said:
Two seasons back they wanted a loan fee of £14m for him for a single season
He won the league with Leicester and cashed in
But I wonder if he'll regret the move to Chelsea after he's retired and realises how many extra games he could have played had he not taken the Russian money
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£14m loan fee? Wow? Did they get a loan fee from the Turkish club?
 

cc84cov

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,268
better days said:
Suspect it's pretty imminent
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Chelsea defender I assume
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,269
better days said:
Two seasons back they wanted a loan fee of £14m for him for a single season
He won the league with Leicester and cashed in
But I wonder if he'll regret the move to Chelsea after he's retired and realises how many extra games he could have played had he not taken the Russian money
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At the same time he’ll have accrued millions in his bank account and will probably never need to work again
 

ceetee

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,270
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well they don’t mind what league we’re in though I guess if by some miracle we got into the top flight they’d be like the Oystons on steroids in siphoning off the windfall. With stealing the ground back no longer an option what really is their end game now-surely not this laughable idea of building the UoW bowl
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The scenario you describe may be the only way that they would leave
 
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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,271
better days said:
Two seasons back they wanted a loan fee of £14m for him for a single season
He won the league with Leicester and cashed in
But I wonder if he'll regret the move to Chelsea after he's retired and realises how many extra games he could have played had he not taken the Russian money
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Winning the title was as good as it was going to get with Leicester. Going to a club that was more likely to win a title, with a hefty pay rise as well, doesn't sound like something to regret, tbh.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,272
Brighton Sky Blue said:
At the same time he’ll have accrued millions in his bank account and will probably never need to work again
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To be fair I think any established Premier League footballer Chelsea or not will never need to work again
 

better days

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,273
KG7 said:
£14m loan fee? Wow? Did they get a loan fee from the Turkish club?
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This article gives some background
I heard from someone in the game that Chelsea wanted £14m but this mentions £11m plus wages
Villa and the Turkish club will have paid a loan fee and wages but don't know the level

Drinkwater's £35m Chelsea move was doomed from the start | Goal.com

Danny Drinkwater's £35m move to Chelsea was doomed from the start, with the England midfielder a panic buy made during a time when Antonio Conte was at war with his bosses over transfer policy
www.goal.com
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,274
riyadhskyblue said:
That’s the second time in a few days you have raised the money for nothing statement.
if I am not mistaken those that bought memberships got Ifollow for the season for games and a membership shirt. It was not a compulsory purchase, it was optional.
3500 memberships assisted the club through the dark days of COVID and allowed us to compete.
I think all of your other points are valid although the owners have stated their position clearly.
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The point was more it wasn’t all lost revenue. The club made some revenue, even if iFollow and shirts are sold at cost (they aren’t) that was maybe £150 of value for £250 (IIRC). People like me also bought a foreign iFollow sub for the away games so double paid. We also didn’t have to pay stewards or policing costs or any other match day expenses we would have on a crowd of 7k. So as I say I doubt the losses were much more than they have been for a bad season in the lower leagues.

It just sticks in the throat a little to be asked to pay over the odds when we didn’t have to and then be told “sorry can’t be competitive, COVID don’t you know”. The fans are doing their bit for the club finances, we’re in a stadium of appropriate size on by all accounts a decent rental deal. If we can’t compete now under this model we never will be able to. And I’m not talking about competing with the likes of Bournemouth, more the likes of Barnsley.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,275
Mr Panda said:
Walker is the only natural goalscorer if you're discounting Godden right now.

His run to tap in O'Hares cross pulled a couple of defenders out the way for Viktor to smash home.

I can't believe that Robins would offload him unless there's something we don't know. There's not much to pick from in terms of relatively recent high tally goalscorers across the divisions.

Create chances and the goals will come
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Good point, his positioning is good, got a few tap ins last season because he's got that skill of being in the right place, right time.

Honestly though I think the team would benefit more from playing Gyokeres or Waghorn. You lose that positioning and potentially finishing (though I'm not sure Walker is a better finisher), but gain a more combative, dynamic centre forward.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,276
cc84cov said:
No chance robins chased him for long enough I can’t see him being on a bigger wage than Waghorn
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Maybe Walker isn't happy he's slipped down the pecking order and wants to leave? We got rid of Chaplin pretty quick after chasing him for ages.

If he were to leave i'd hope we're planning on replacing him. Godden's fitness is very suspect nowadays so we'd have no experienced back-up. Personally I'd be happy for him to stay but he has to be played with a strike partner.

At the moment I'd say this is possible, but unlikely.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,277
better days said:
Two seasons back they wanted a loan fee of £14m for him for a single season
He won the league with Leicester and cashed in
But I wonder if he'll regret the move to Chelsea after he's retired and realises how many extra games he could have played had he not taken the Russian money
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So we could sell Hamer and still have a million spare?
 
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better days

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,278
Brighton Sky Blue said:
At the same time he’ll have accrued millions in his bank account and will probably never need to work again
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Correct BSB but from reports of his off field exploits he's not been doing so well in his personal life
Drink-drive conviction, bashed up and injured in a night club brawl etc
 
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CovBrummie94

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  • Aug 10, 2021
  • #7,279
KG7 said:
This is total speculation from me but thinking about the midfielder we might be after on loan and wondering if Danny Drinkwater might be an under the radar but ambitious and almost achievable target for us?

It's the last year of his contract so will want to have a good season...had some uninspiring loans to Premier League teams so you can't imagine he'd be wanted there...similar vein to the Matty James signing...
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Wouldn’t want him if Chelsea paid us


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Deleted member 9744

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  • Aug 10, 2021
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KG7 said:
This is total speculation from me but thinking about the midfielder we might be after on loan and wondering if Danny Drinkwater might be an under the radar but ambitious and almost achievable target for us?

It's the last year of his contract so will want to have a good season...had some uninspiring loans to Premier League teams so you can't imagine he'd be wanted there...similar vein to the Matty James signing...
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Seriously? Hasn't done anything for years and would cost a fortune
 
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