Got any proof or data?Same as the asylum seekers in Sweden who go back to their native country for holidays once their claim has been accepted.
The only mention of legal action in the article is that asylum seekers cannot be sent to their country of origin, which is not an issue here.
Got any proof or data?
In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?
No it isn't - there will be legal action against returns on the basis of an arbitrary selection process.
Oddly we do not even know any numbers - it could be 2 - oh and even if it succeeds (which many experts doubt) France will send the same number back
Lets be honest, a lot of people don't want immigrants legal or not. The "If they come through the correct channels" line is just that, a line. A lot of cultures do not successfully mix, and that's fine. I don't know why there's such a hoohah when people point it out.Well it's a pilot scheme, so numbers are likely to be low to begin with.
And yes France are sending the same number back - but they will be presenting themselves to British authorities, entering the country officially and will be people with links to the UK - all things that people have been asking for.
Where have i said that, your just making stories. What about the illegal barbers, takeaway, restaurant workers, car wash workers. Probably millions here we don't know about. As for the poor Christian Iraqi girl, where have I said cases like that are not allowed. Its sounds like you want open borders and anyone can come in.Got any proof or data?
In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?
Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - EuractivYou’ll be shocked to hear he got it from Elon Musk
Do most refugees in Sweden holiday back home, as Elon Musk claims?
The South Africa-born billionaire's claim that refugees in Sweden are playing the system has gone viral, but the catchy 79% figure has been taken out of context. #EuroVerifywww.euronews.com
Millions?!Where have i said that, you’re just making stories. What about the illegal barbers, takeaway, restaurant workers, car wash workers. Probably millions here we don't know about. As for the poor Christian Iraqi girl, where have I said cases like that are not allowed. Its sounds like you want open borders and anyone can come in.
Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv
No from here
Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv
“That there is abuse, I dare to claim. But it’s hard to say how widespread it is."www.euractiv.com
Millions?!
I mean he’s yet another poster who says ‘HA! Guess you want open borders and a free for all!!!!!’ if you don’t agree that asylum seekers are vermin.Around a million seems to be the best guess, give or take a couple of hundred thousand.
I mean he’s yet another poster who says ‘HA! Guess you want open borders and a free for all!!!!!’ if you don’t agree that asylum seekers are vermin.
I've not told a single person to piss off! For about the 4th time in this thread alone, I've been pretty clear that anyone here already can stay. I'm not sure if youre being purposely selective or aiming to make out ive implied otherwise. There's a huge difference between saying no more immigration and all immigrants must leave, but you already know that.Got any proof or data?
In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?
What I meant by the comment was that you don’t want anyone else coming in, so you’d have also refused the asylum seeking family in question. Or have I misunderstood what ‘no more immigration at all’ meant?I've not told a single person to piss off! For about the 4th time in this thread alone, I've been pretty clear that anyone here already can stay. I'm not sure if youre being purposely selective or aiming to make out ive implied otherwise. There's a huge difference between saying no more immigration and all immigrants must leave, but you already know that.
But then you wouldn't have been able to fabricate perfectly timed little anecdotes as you'd never have met her.What I meant by the comment was that you don’t want anyone else coming in, so you’d have also refused the asylum seeking family in question. Or have I misunderstood what ‘no more immigration at all’ meant?
It isn’t fabricated whatsoever.But then you wouldn't have been able to fabricate perfectly timed little anecdotes as you'd never have met her.
The goalposts moved once again, in a thread where the uproar is specifically over asylum seekers.I'm also pretty sure asylum cases are pretty low and certainly well below the net migration that I've also countered on this thread alone more than once. So there's plenty of space for your new bestie, but maybe not for her extended 3rd cousins twice removed. Net zero is my position and that means plenty of wriggle room for lots of whatabout scenarios, without impacting on any of the creeking services or housing shortage which was my original point.
Not by me. Go back a few pages and I said they account for about 4% its the balance we should be concentrating on.The goalposts moved once again, in a thread where the uproar is specifically over asylum seekers.
Your stance is just a bit confusing. You want better pay and conditions for sectors where we’re reliant on foreign labour, I’m with you there. But you also oppose the political parties and bodies who are calling for that to happen?Not by me. Go back a few pages and I said they account for about 4% its the balance we should be concentrating on.
Can I ask you one question.I'm also pretty sure asylum cases are pretty low and certainly well below the net migration that I've also countered on this thread alone more than once. So there's plenty of space for your new bestie, but maybe not for her extended 3rd cousins twice removed. Net zero is my position and that means plenty of wriggle room for lots of whatabout scenarios, without impacting on any of the creeking services or housing shortage which was my original point.
Because I don't trust them to deliver it and I also think they back open borders. I've said before im politically homeless.Your stance is just a bit confusing. You want better pay and conditions for sectors where we’re reliant on foreign labour, I’m with you there. But you also oppose the political parties and bodies who are calling for that to happen?
Mixed tbh. I can see aspects of use, but in general growth encourages increase in costs and services, so people need more to pay for them and on it spirals.Can I ask you one question.
Are you pro or anti economic growth?
Mixed tbh. I can see aspects of use, but in general growth encourages increase in costs and services, so people need more to pay for them and on it spirals.
I seem to remember that there was a lot of talk about India demanding visas at that point.So we need to keep importing hundreds of thousands of students a year to keep unis afloat and hundreds of thousands of workers to pay the pensions of the elderly and increasing welfare bill
How the fuck is this efficient or sustainable(not having a go at you Dave, just the logic of how we’re seemingly running the country…basically just kicking the can !)
ps sunak was 100% correct to change student visas as like with other stuff the system was being gamed…
‘In recent years, there's been a significant increase in the number of dependents accompanying students on UK student visas. For example, in the year ending September 2023, nearly a quarter (24%) of all sponsored study-related visas granted were to dependents of students. This is a substantial rise from 5% in 2019.’
Your stance on immigration says you’re anti. Growth doesn’t mean automatic increase in costs, at least not when measured against other metrics.Mixed tbh. I can see aspects of use, but in general growth encourages increase in costs and services, so people need more to pay for them and on it spirals.
I said at the start, at least you’re honest rather than a pure contrarian. But given that I genuinely believe you’re wrong it’s more than a ‘Poundland Grendel’ argument from me.Because I don't trust them to deliver it and I also think they back open borders. I've said before im politically homeless.
I think you'll find throughout that I don't look for popularity, and I'm consistent in what I say which is why it's pointless trying to trip me up like a pound shop version of Grendel. I don't expect you or anyone else for that matter to agree, but it won't change what I think is right.
I really don't want to make this political, but under that Tory rule which is clear what you mean having conveniently forgotten the 2008 recession under Labour, we've had a coalition government, Brexit and then a worldwide pandemic with huge furlough costs. If austerity hadn't taken place I think we'd be in a far worse position although neither of us can ever prove who is right on that. It’s certainly not black and white (or red and blue as you see everything).Your stance on immigration says you’re anti. Growth doesn’t mean automatic increase in costs, at least not when measured against other metrics.
For instance the last time we had a sustainable period of economic growth was under Blair. Important metrics such as living standards, average income, disposable income all grew. Other metrics such as child poverty and life expectancy gap fell. Interest rates were low and stable as was inflation. Yes house prices rose sharply but that’s a statistic that hasn’t changed through periods of austerity, stagnation and recession that’s followed.
I don’t think you should be scared of growth. The alternative is what we’ve been experiencing for a decade and a half now, the data is there to see it’s a far worse option. Especially when it comes to opportunity. My children have a far worse outlook than I did when I left school in 1989 which is a first for generations, probably a century at least.
I really don't want to make this political, but under that Tory rule which is clear what you mean having conveniently forgotten the 2008 recession under Labour, we've had a coalition government, Brexit and then a worldwide pandemic with huge furlough costs. If austerity hadn't taken place I think we'd be in a far worse position although neither of us can ever prove who is right on that. It’s certainly not black and white (or red and blue as you see everything).
I genuinely believe you're wrongI said at the start, at least you’re honest rather than a pure contrarian. But given that I genuinely believe you’re wrong it’s more than a ‘Poundland Grendel’ argument from me.
What are you droning on about, I'm on about all the unvetted illegal immigrants in the country already, Pakistani rape gangs, girls getting rated on our streets, beaches etc, what have you to say about that. what use to our economy are uber drivers, kebab shop workers, barbers, car washers. Hardly skilled or in demand peopleGot any proof or data?
In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?
I have no doubt about that, but at least get my position right before going on. I mean countless times in this thread and elsewhere, I’ve said what I think about the hotel problem, the trafficking across the Channel, and about immigration numbers and what I would do about them.I genuinely believe you're wrong
I haven’t forgotten anything. The fact is that since records began the longest period of sustained growth in UK history happened under Blair and I’m specifically talking about growth as a counter to your concerns about growth. I actually didn’t talk about anything else simply to stop it being political.I really don't want to make this political, but under that Tory rule which is clear what you mean having conveniently forgotten the 2008 recession under Labour, we've had a coalition government, Brexit and then a worldwide pandemic with huge furlough costs. If austerity hadn't taken place I think we'd be in a far worse position although neither of us can ever prove who is right on that. It’s certainly not black and white (or red and blue as you see everything).
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