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Brighton Sky Blue

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Same as the asylum seekers in Sweden who go back to their native country for holidays once their claim has been accepted.
Got any proof or data?

In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?
 

Grendel

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The only mention of legal action in the article is that asylum seekers cannot be sent to their country of origin, which is not an issue here.

No it isn't - there will be legal action against returns on the basis of an arbitrary selection process.

Oddly we do not even know any numbers - it could be 2 - oh and even if it succeeds (which many experts doubt) France will send the same number back
 

shmmeee

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Got any proof or data?

In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?

You’ll be shocked to hear he got it from Elon Musk

 

PVA

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No it isn't - there will be legal action against returns on the basis of an arbitrary selection process.

Oddly we do not even know any numbers - it could be 2 - oh and even if it succeeds (which many experts doubt) France will send the same number back

Well it's a pilot scheme, so numbers are likely to be low to begin with.

And yes France are sending the same number back - but they will be presenting themselves to British authorities, entering the country officially and will be people with links to the UK - all things that people have been asking for.
 

Briles

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Well it's a pilot scheme, so numbers are likely to be low to begin with.

And yes France are sending the same number back - but they will be presenting themselves to British authorities, entering the country officially and will be people with links to the UK - all things that people have been asking for.
Lets be honest, a lot of people don't want immigrants legal or not. The "If they come through the correct channels" line is just that, a line. A lot of cultures do not successfully mix, and that's fine. I don't know why there's such a hoohah when people point it out.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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Got any proof or data?

In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?
Where have i said that, your just making stories. What about the illegal barbers, takeaway, restaurant workers, car wash workers. Probably millions here we don't know about. As for the poor Christian Iraqi girl, where have I said cases like that are not allowed. Its sounds like you want open borders and anyone can come in.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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You’ll be shocked to hear he got it from Elon Musk

Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv
No from here
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Where have i said that, you’re just making stories. What about the illegal barbers, takeaway, restaurant workers, car wash workers. Probably millions here we don't know about. As for the poor Christian Iraqi girl, where have I said cases like that are not allowed. Its sounds like you want open borders and anyone can come in.
Millions?!
 

shmmeee

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Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv Sweden to track refugees travelling to their home countries - Euractiv
No from here

That’s the same story. That’s the Swedish government responding to the viral Musk tweet which fails to point out a majority of asylum seekers questioned have been in the country for over 15 years and their home country may well be perfectly safe now. Even your link says “we have no idea how widespread”. As it was eight months ago and Musk has moved into something else I doubt there will be any update.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Around a million seems to be the best guess, give or take a couple of hundred thousand.
I mean he’s yet another poster who says ‘HA! Guess you want open borders and a free for all!!!!!’ if you don’t agree that asylum seekers are vermin.
 

shmmeee

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I mean he’s yet another poster who says ‘HA! Guess you want open borders and a free for all!!!!!’ if you don’t agree that asylum seekers are vermin.

Not all asylum seekers. Ukrainians and Hongkongers seem to get by OK.

If you’re talking illegal asylum seekers as in people who are in the country illegally after trying to claim asylum, you’re talking maybe a hundred thousand absolute maximum. Probably far less.
 

rob9872

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Got any proof or data?

In my first year of teaching, I had a refugee join my class from Iraq, a Christian girl who personally witnessed her father’s execution by ISIS. Would you join Rob in saying that she and her family should have been told to piss off?
I've not told a single person to piss off! For about the 4th time in this thread alone, I've been pretty clear that anyone here already can stay. I'm not sure if youre being purposely selective or aiming to make out ive implied otherwise. There's a huge difference between saying no more immigration and all immigrants must leave, but you already know that.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I've not told a single person to piss off! For about the 4th time in this thread alone, I've been pretty clear that anyone here already can stay. I'm not sure if youre being purposely selective or aiming to make out ive implied otherwise. There's a huge difference between saying no more immigration and all immigrants must leave, but you already know that.
What I meant by the comment was that you don’t want anyone else coming in, so you’d have also refused the asylum seeking family in question. Or have I misunderstood what ‘no more immigration at all’ meant?
 

rob9872

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What I meant by the comment was that you don’t want anyone else coming in, so you’d have also refused the asylum seeking family in question. Or have I misunderstood what ‘no more immigration at all’ meant?
But then you wouldn't have been able to fabricate perfectly timed little anecdotes as you'd never have met her.
 

rob9872

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I'm also pretty sure asylum cases are pretty low and certainly well below the net migration that I've also countered on this thread alone more than once. So there's plenty of space for your new bestie, but maybe not for her extended 3rd cousins twice removed. Net zero is my position and that means plenty of wriggle room for lots of whatabout scenarios, without impacting on any of the creeking services or housing shortage which was my original point.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I'm also pretty sure asylum cases are pretty low and certainly well below the net migration that I've also countered on this thread alone more than once. So there's plenty of space for your new bestie, but maybe not for her extended 3rd cousins twice removed. Net zero is my position and that means plenty of wriggle room for lots of whatabout scenarios, without impacting on any of the creeking services or housing shortage which was my original point.
The goalposts moved once again, in a thread where the uproar is specifically over asylum seekers.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Not by me. Go back a few pages and I said they account for about 4% its the balance we should be concentrating on.
Your stance is just a bit confusing. You want better pay and conditions for sectors where we’re reliant on foreign labour, I’m with you there. But you also oppose the political parties and bodies who are calling for that to happen?
 

skybluetony176

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I'm also pretty sure asylum cases are pretty low and certainly well below the net migration that I've also countered on this thread alone more than once. So there's plenty of space for your new bestie, but maybe not for her extended 3rd cousins twice removed. Net zero is my position and that means plenty of wriggle room for lots of whatabout scenarios, without impacting on any of the creeking services or housing shortage which was my original point.
Can I ask you one question.

Are you pro or anti economic growth?
 

rob9872

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Your stance is just a bit confusing. You want better pay and conditions for sectors where we’re reliant on foreign labour, I’m with you there. But you also oppose the political parties and bodies who are calling for that to happen?
Because I don't trust them to deliver it and I also think they back open borders. I've said before im politically homeless.

I think you'll find throughout that I don't look for popularity, and I'm consistent in what I say which is why it's pointless trying to trip me up like a pound shop version of Grendel. I don't expect you or anyone else for that matter to agree, but it won't change what I think is right.
 

rob9872

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Can I ask you one question.

Are you pro or anti economic growth?
Mixed tbh. I can see aspects of use, but in general growth encourages increase in costs and services, so people need more to pay for them and on it spirals.

Housing being the worst example. Everyone obsessed with how much its worth. Its worth nothing unless your selling it. Increasing house costs due to not enough supply is one of the biggest issue we face.
 

Grendel

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Mixed tbh. I can see aspects of use, but in general growth encourages increase in costs and services, so people need more to pay for them and on it spirals.

The current strategy is a disaster anyway. No growth, increasing unemployment and job vacancies at a low
 

wingy

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So we need to keep importing hundreds of thousands of students a year to keep unis afloat and hundreds of thousands of workers to pay the pensions of the elderly and increasing welfare bill

How the fuck is this efficient or sustainable 🤷‍♂️ (not having a go at you Dave, just the logic of how we’re seemingly running the country…basically just kicking the can !)

ps sunak was 100% correct to change student visas as like with other stuff the system was being gamed…

‘In recent years, there's been a significant increase in the number of dependents accompanying students on UK student visas. For example, in the year ending September 2023, nearly a quarter (24%) of all sponsored study-related visas granted were to dependents of students. This is a substantial rise from 5% in 2019.’
I seem to remember that there was a lot of talk about India demanding visas at that point.
 

skybluetony176

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Mixed tbh. I can see aspects of use, but in general growth encourages increase in costs and services, so people need more to pay for them and on it spirals.
Your stance on immigration says you’re anti. Growth doesn’t mean automatic increase in costs, at least not when measured against other metrics.

For instance the last time we had a sustainable period of economic growth was under Blair. Important metrics such as living standards, average income, disposable income all grew. Other metrics such as child poverty and life expectancy gap fell. Interest rates were low and stable as was inflation. Yes house prices rose sharply but that’s a statistic that hasn’t changed through periods of austerity, stagnation and recession that’s followed.

I don’t think you should be scared of growth. The alternative is what we’ve been experiencing for a decade and a half now, the data is there to see it’s a far worse option. Especially when it comes to opportunity. My children have a far worse outlook than I did when I left school in 1989 which is a first for generations, probably a century at least.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Because I don't trust them to deliver it and I also think they back open borders. I've said before im politically homeless.

I think you'll find throughout that I don't look for popularity, and I'm consistent in what I say which is why it's pointless trying to trip me up like a pound shop version of Grendel. I don't expect you or anyone else for that matter to agree, but it won't change what I think is right.
I said at the start, at least you’re honest rather than a pure contrarian. But given that I genuinely believe you’re wrong it’s more than a ‘Poundland Grendel’ argument from me.
 

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