12 year old raped in nuneaton (15 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We’ve allowed unis to be run totally inefficiently, chancellors being paid a fortune, spending loads on buildings etc but it’s all built on milking foreign students and kids that would probably be far better off not going to uni to start with.

Like getting cheap foreign labour in rather than investing in people, improving their skills and paying what they’re due (why do you think so much of big business didn’t want Brexit) or companies/ organisations investing in equipment/machinery etc to make them more productive and efficient

All short term shit, no long term vision or people willing to make tough decisions (see governments recently). The chickens are now coming home to roost though and I don’t think any political party has got a clue on how to sort it out, which leaves us open to populism and parties like Reform, Corbyn/Sultanas lot all promising the earth with no substance/idea of how to deliver it

Left wing populism seems to have worked fine in Mexico.

 

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[rob9872]

There you go again ascribing arguments to people who didn’t make them.

I agree that the pay for the jobs and conditions also need to improve. The problem is that requires you to do things you have opposed before, like improving these for public sector workers.

No, there's a huge difference in public sector being used as a broad brush. If care is where its at and I include Nursing, im fine with that. Administors not so much.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Left wing populism seems to have worked fine in Mexico.

so is right wing populism in Argentina, doesn’t mean I think it would work here

Edit - will look into Mexico as don’t really know much about what’s gone on

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Stop any boats coming in, deport any migrants that are not in work. Simple.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I guess people just need to see their services improving while taxes and costs go up, rather than taxes and costs going up but services declining.

Yep course

 

[PVA]

His many have gone back today? It doesn’t say?

You said it doesn't ensure any are returned when on it's very first day it quite literally ensured some are were returned.

 

[Grendel]

You said it doesn't ensure any are returned when on its very first day it quite literally ensured some are were returned.

No it doesn’t? France have 28 days to agree to each one recommended and then as the article states there will be High Court action taken to block deportation - one lawyer on 5 live predicted the court process alone will take 6 months

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

so is right wing populism in Argentina, doesn’t mean I think it would work here

Edit - will look into Mexico as don’t really know much about what’s gone on

Don’t think it is working in Argentina. Mexico however have had left wing populists in for some time and their approval rating is still through the roof.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, there's a huge difference in public sector being used as a broad brush. If care is where its at and I include Nursing, im fine with that. Administors not so much.

Teachers?

 

[SBT]

For what purpose? Although if i did have my way I'd make Ireland one nation.

Breaking up the Union to own the libs!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Breaking up the Union to own the libs!

Put the UK first by breaking it up

 

[rob9872]

Teachers?

You said less kids so there would be an oversupply of teachers and their wages would reduce

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You said less kids so there would be an oversupply of teachers and their wages would reduce

I'm sure they will be happy with that!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You said less kids so there would be an oversupply of teachers and their wages would reduce

Not what I had in mind to get class sizes down tbf

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm sure they will be happy with that!!

Think I still have my union merch from the last strikes…

 

[PVA]

No it doesn’t? France have 28 days to agree to each one recommended and then as the article states there will be High Court action taken to block deportation - one lawyer on 5 live predicted the court process alone will take 6 months

The only mention of legal action in the article is that asylum seekers cannot be sent to their country of origin, which is not an issue here.

 

[chiefdave]

We only need people to fill those jobs because they're poorly paid. That can be addressed.

I'm also not sure why we need so many students including our own. Universities used to be for the elite not to prop up a failing economy of grifters who don't want to work.

Presumably you've been fully supportive when the likes of bin men, nurses, doctors, teachers, amazon workers, rail workers strike for better pay and conditions?

Relatively speaking in a short space of time, at least in economic terms, we've seen huge technological advances which mean you need less people to output the same amount, closed down most of our manufacturing industry, offshored everything we could, moved large numbers on to zero hours contracts in the gig economy and added a large number of women to the workforce.

Put simply between staff and students you've accounted for about 3.5m people. That's about 10% of the working age population you don't need to worry about.

Now you could say move those people to the care sectors and other industries short of staff but its easier said than done. Look at the number of kids and uni grads complaining about applying for hundreds of jobs but not getting anything while there's all these vacancies. How do you increase the pay and conditions in those roles to attract people? Relatively small pay increases in other sectors we are told comes with the risk of financial meltdown for the country. You'd probably be looking at 25-50% pay increases for people to consider some of those jobs.

I'm already getting into debt paying my Dads care costs, if they shot up overnight I'd be fucked and I'm far from the only one.

 

[chiefdave]

We’ve allowed unis to be run totally inefficiently, chancellors being paid a fortune

worked so well we decided to do the same with schools

 

[rob9872]

Presumably you've been fully supportive when the likes of bin men, nurses, doctors, teachers, amazon workers, rail workers strike for better pay and conditions?

Relatively speaking in a short space of time, at least in economic terms, we've seen huge technological advances which mean you need less people to output the same amount, closed down most of our manufacturing industry, offshored everything we could, moved large numbers on to zero hours contracts in the gig economy and added a large number of women to the workforce.

Put simply between staff and students you've accounted for about 3.5m people. That's about 10% of the working age population you don't need to worry about.

Now you could say move those people to the care sectors and other industries short of staff but its easier said than done. Look at the number of kids and uni grads complaining about applying for hundreds of jobs but not getting anything while there's all these vacancies. How do you increase the pay and conditions in those roles to attract people? Relatively small pay increases in other sectors we are told comes with the risk of financial meltdown for the country. You'd probably be looking at 25-50% pay increases for people to consider some of those jobs.

I'm already getting into debt paying my Dads care costs, if they shot up overnight I'd be fucked and I'm far from the only one.

Nurses, doctors yes. The rest no. Different argument.

Not going down another rabbit hole here on the beach, but basically they're not helping yhe care that we apparently need more people for. The others if they dont like it do something else.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Ban net contributors to the economy coming in

Ban people we need to fill jobs coming in

Accept students and tourists because they put money into the economy

Got it right?

No, don't accept illegal immigrants who are unchecked, add nothing to our society, hide doing jobs on the black market and who through their culture can't accept teenage girls walking the dog, visiting friends and going to the shops without being proposition or sexually assaulted

 

[Ccfcisparks]

No, don't accept illegal immigrants who are unchecked, add nothing to our society, hide doing jobs on the black market and who through their culture can't accept teenage girls walking the dog, visiting friends and going to the shops without being proposition or sexually assaulted

Would we be able to deport any illegal migrants here currently, that would help.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Would we be able to deport any illegal migrants here currently, that would help.

Yes stop them coming in with force, if a few dingys sink then tough, may put a stop to it.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Yes stop them coming in with force, if a few dingys sink then tough, may put a stop to it.

Could we use non lethal weapons to pop the boats as they come over?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Don’t think it is working in Argentina. Mexico however have had left wing populists in for some time and their approval rating is still through the roof.

Argentina is worth a look, been quite the turnaround recently although not convinced it will be sustained*. Didn’t Millei pick up an absolute mess from a long term left wing, high spending, high debt, high inflation government ? (they’re not all Mexico !)

Both developing nations though, very different to our aging, slow growth, developed nation.

*expect Farage/Reform to try to use this at next GE if it continues

 

[PVA]

No, don't accept illegal immigrants who are unchecked

We don't accept any asylum seekers until they are checked.

Yes stop them coming in with force, if a few dingys sink then tough, may put a stop to it.

'If dozens of people die then tough'. Come on, we're better than that.

 

[Briles]

Would we be able to deport any illegal migrants here currently, that would help.

Once they're here they are difficult to find as they blend in with people here legally. Having similar names is deliberate I'm sure . Its like the amount of illegal "Manuels" in Spain who are actually from Doncaster.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, don't accept illegal immigrants who are unchecked, add nothing to our society, hide doing jobs on the black market and who through their culture can't accept teenage girls walking the dog, visiting friends and going to the shops without being proposition or sexually assaulted

For the millionth time, a lot of these ‘illegals’ are asylum seekers waiting for a decision, and you can’t be an illegal asylum seeker until the claim is rejected.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

For the millionth time, a lot of these ‘illegals’ are asylum seekers waiting for a decision, and you can’t be an illegal asylum seeker until the claim is rejected.

Same as the asylum seekers in Sweden who go back to their native country for holidays once their claim has been accepted.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

We don't accept any asylum seekers until they are checked.




'If dozens of people die then tough'. Come on, we're better than that.

But they're already in France, stay there !

 

[SBT]

Could we use non lethal weapons to pop the boats as they come over?

Are we the baddies?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Could we use non lethal weapons to pop the boats as they come over?

I'd give it a try

 

[SBAndy]

Could we use non lethal weapons to pop the boats as they come over?

 

[shmmeee]

But they're already in France, stay there !

You should pop over and tell them. Maybe no one has tried and they will.

 

[shmmeee]

No, don't accept illegal immigrants who are unchecked, add nothing to our society, hide doing jobs on the black market and who through their culture can't accept teenage girls walking the dog, visiting friends and going to the shops without being proposition or sexually assaulted

If we accept them surely they aren’t illegal?

 

[Briles]

Are we the baddies?

-and if there's one thing we've learned in the last 30 miles of channel crossing, it's that the French Navy is in dire need of mechanisation