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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The saying ‘ignorance is bliss’ has never been so appropriate. Access to the Single Market requires adherence to EU rules and regulations. That is the price The EU has put on that market access. This link has no leaning on pro-Remain or pro-EU, it’s an analysis on all sorts of FTAs, such as...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You didn’t read that article did you? Free Trade Agreements infringe upon the sovereignty of states, whether we’re trading with the EU, China or the US. It’s governments coming together and restricting what they can do and setting rules for themselves. Of course they can take back sovereignty...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If you have to adhere to EU rules and regulations, it’s at the expense of sovereignty because we’re not setting our own rules. In the scenario I laid out, we wouldn’t have to give up soveigbty, but we will invariably be worse off with trade tariffs because we have a trade deficit, importing...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The article explains it pretty well. But let’s say Mucca Mad Boys and Astute are sovereign states. We decide that free trade is in our mutual interest. We set rules for that trade. From eliminating tariffs and trade barriers means we, as sovereign states can’t do certain things that break this...
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    NATO requires member states to spend 2% GDP. Let’s #TakeBackControl and Leave NATO. We stand a better chance defending against Russian aggression outside of NATO...
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Our exports to the EU is worth £274bn, or 44% of all our exports (as of 2017). We need access to the single market — losing nearly half of your trade would be catastrophic. We also import more than we export, with a trade deficit of -£67bn. Tariffs based trade is therefore, a bad thing for the...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Thatcher wouldn’t have negotiated a better deal because she wouldn’t have campaigned to Leave. She campaigned to join the EC in 1975. Stop trying to change the history books. Margaret Thatcher would not have supported Brexit, says top aide
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s nice. Meanwhile, back in 2018, we’re dealing with Brexit and I’m asking you about Theresa May’s deal.
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’re stuck in the past past now. The EU has said as much during the process of Brexit negotiations. It’s delusional to think Britain won’t have to adhere to any EU rules and regulations, not have to pay in to the EU at all yet still have access to the single market. Frankly, you’re in fantasy...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How specifically could this deal be improved? Seems like the only issue you have is with the backstop. The price for access to the single market would mean following EU rules and regulations as well as paying into the EU. Nigel’s Farage was a fan of the Swiss and Norway models, yet, these...
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No, he wouldn’t have done, because it’s an impossible position. Brexit is such a vague concept. One minute, Leavers are proponents of the Norway model (Farage), the next, the ERG suggests May’s deal makes us a ‘vassal state’ and rebels against the PM. May’s deal, for all intents and purpose...
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If you’ve read my previous posts, you’ll know I’m dead set against it. I’ve made that explicitly clear. So, what I’m asking is, what don’t you like about May’s deal and how do you think it can be improved? Since our reasons for mutually disliking it must be different. Answering my questions...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    For sure, there will still be nominal negotiations, but for the reasons you state, nothing substantive will be agreed. We really are in the weaker position at the negotiating table, hence the deal put forward looks something akin to us remaining in all but name. The prospect of a ‘no deal’...
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Given the amount I’ve quoted that famous Remainer Jacob Rees-Mogg, I doubt I’m buying anyone’s propaganda. I’ve reviewed the evidence as I see it, and consider it better to Remain in the EU — I don’t consider myself a Europhile at all. With all due respect, there are some somewhat reasonable...
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Don’t deflect. You have issues with it, what are they?
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Vague. What don’t you like about the deal specifically? To save me quoting your other post, completely different contexts. Leaving the European Union without a deal will cause immense economic disruption. Government projections have a ‘no deal’ scenario being an economic catastrophe, losing...
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In your opinion, how could it be better? I’ve been pretty clear that I think this is a bad deal. This is because I agree with the premise that this deal, in its current form, makes us a vassal of the EU. Therefore, I agree it’s better to remain a full member than a ‘vassal state’ — a view held...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    We’re not negotiating on a Brexit deal though, so people aren’t undermining a negotiation. A deal was ready to be tabled to Parliament, but was deferred because it was going to get defeated heavily. The PM’s own party calls a vote of no confidence in her, she won that, and tried to get...
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In fairness, I can't see another outcome of Brexit than a Norway-style deal or a 'no deal' Brexit. The former option relegates our status to that of a vassal state to the EU and the latter is a chaotic mess that no one voted for. The EU's price for access into the Single Market is adherence to...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Every Tory you say? It's clear that a no deal Brexit is a red line issue for Tory MPs who support Remain. Boles and Soubry are senior MPs and seem to be mobilising other Tory MPs to vote against the Government in the event the Government loses its Parliamentary vote and a no deal Brexit seems...
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