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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, most of us on here have already made up our minds one way or the other. I’ve laid out what I think will happen, we’ll see what happens. If May’s deal gets rejected, we’re headed to ballot box at least once, if not twice (or even 3 times). The...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think the government should have to come up with a Plan B in 3 days as opposed to 3 weeks. The Government and its ministers are bound to criticise Bercow because he’s restricting their powers. Just because someone says it’s ‘extremely concerning’ doesn’t make it so. Let’s not forget that his...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Usually, when there’s a deadlock between Government and Parliament, the electorate is consulted via an election or, later, referendums. That’s been the way of Parliament since the 18th century.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What does that mean exactly? Leaving without a deal or is that renegotiating May’s deal. You’ve not made that clear. Either way, you’re not grasping the fact that MPs are voting against the Government’s deal and are voting to prevent a no-deal scenario. Again, the problem is how can the result...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Ok. But, both options for Brexit are currently being blocked by Parliament, rightly or wrongly. In this scenario, how can the result of 2016 be honoured? Answer that.
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    But did the 52% vote for May’s deal? No, as the stats show they favour no deal to May’s deal. But, a no deal Brexit doesn’t have a majority either. Would 52% have voted to Leave if they knew we’d leave without a deal? I doubt that very much. Whether or not that is the case is irrelevant because...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    As things stand, when May’s deal is rejected, the alternative to a second referendum is to leave without a deal. Parliament is, however, acting to prevent that. You keep questioning saying a second referendum would unify the country, that’s not my argument, I called it a ‘best bet’. Since you...
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Analysing the political climate, Parliament has moved to increase Parliamentary powers against the Government to prevent the Government leaving without a deal on the 29th March. It’s also set to reject May’s deal, and the implications are pretty clear. With the UK’s rich parliamentary history...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’ve already established that, thank you. What do you think will happen? As it stands, Parliament is set on blocking a no deal outcome and some sources reckon the May’s deal could lose by up to 80 votes in Parliament. Hence, May is desperately trying to gain support from Labour MPs at the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Let’s clarify this, do you think crashing out of the EU without a deal will do a better job of ‘unifying’ the country? Also, I’m intrigued, if there were to be a second referendum on Remaining v Leaving, how would Astute vote?
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The first and obvious problem is that there is no clear majority for the next course of action as there is no majority for a no-deal or for May's deal and a second referendum doesn't seem particularly necessary to ordinary people at this point. At 52/48 majority, you could argue that the result...
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    Declan Drysdale

    Goes to show what a great job Robins is doing by making the club an attractive destination for young players. In the summer, Sterling cane to us instead of the Championship, Bayliss signed a new contract and more. Good stuff!
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I called it a best bet. I’ve never said it will lead to an idyllic political solution where everyone is happy. You’re misrepresenting my view because as you know, I’ve said EU membership will remain a divisive issue last 2019. As the link you posted states, the two clear options on how to deal...
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There was division over the issue before 2016, during the process of Brexit negotiations and will continue to be division after the matter also. I’ve said that regardless of the outcome this year. A second referendum is not ideal at all, but it’s becoming an increasingly political necessity in...
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It’s not Labour’s opposition that’s causing the government real problems. It’s the Tory back benchers who are giving the government real problems. That’s why they can’t get it through Parliament. For political reasons, Labour can’t support May’s deal nor a no-deal Brexit as they will get...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Holding a second referendum will ‘cause’ untold division? Looking at the current political climate, there’s so much division the only thing that can mend it is another vote. You have Tory backbencher who want to leave without a deal, there’s those who support Remain and a small % support May...
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If we remained without a public vote, it would be a betrayal of democracy. If a second referendum voted to Remain, surely the fresher referendum is the most valid.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Is that somehow an argument against a second referendum?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    On that basis, the 2016 referendum is undemocratic because it ignored the referendum of 1975. But that’s a rather silly position to take, isn’t it?
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Disagreeing with a second referendum is a legitimate political position. However, calling a new referendum ‘undemocratic’, ‘undermining democracy’ or ‘Stalinist’ is a ridiculous stance.
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