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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yep, 1968 they combined to defeat the Wilson's House of Lords reform.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No, I don’t take what politicians say at face value. But, when politicians state publicly they’re going to vote against the Government, they’re putting their career at risk. For that reason, I’m inclined to believe they really mean that, especially coming from MPs who don’t want Brexit. Nick...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’m already aware of this otherwise I wouldn’t have used the example. They also had an admiration for one another and had copperated in Parliament beforehand. Despite being ideologically opposed.
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Grendel asked who threatened to vote against the link, the article has all the information that is needed. You can find what the politicians said, be it on twitter or whatever. The fact it’s from the Express is unimportant as it wasn’t an opinion piece. Its also on Sky News, the Daily Mail, the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I wasn’t expressing a problem with it? The example demonstrates that two people from two polar opposites of the political spectrum.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Even Michael Foot campaigned with Enoch Powell.
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, the prospect of leaving without a deal is pushing some Tory MPs to vote against the Government. These are senior Tories as well and could be joined by more MPs, the likes of Michael Fallon, Justine Greening (suggests a second referendum using STV), Ken Clarke (recently proposed to delay...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Nick Boles (apologies, he’s ex-cabinet, not current) and Anna Soubry, the latter reckons she leads a bunch of One Nation Tories who will vote against the government in order to prevent a no-deal scenario. Several ministers like Richard Harrington are threatening to quit government to prevent a...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Very different contexts. There are senior Tories, even in cabinet who have said they will resign and vote and against the Government. There’s a significant chunk of Remainer Tories who don’t want to leave at all and will vote to prevent a no-deal scenario. 20 MPs have already broke ranks in...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How can you spew on about ‘the truth’ when you say you don’t know what will happen. I’ve attempted to make sense of the situation on how things will proceed. I have said if May loses this Brexit deal vote, she will resign or she’ll lose a vote of no confidence. Only a small minority of Tory...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Today, BBC analysis reckons May’s withdrawal is going to be beaten by 228 votes in Parliament. If that doesn’t make May resign, it will trigger a motion of no confidence and we’ll see who is right. I suspect you’ll be disappointed.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You say ‘we don’t know what will happen’ as if the signs aren’t already there. The Government has been defeated 7 times in Parliament in under 18 months. This is pretty unheard of in UK politics. To put into perspective, Cameron was defeated 9 times in 6 years. Most significantly, a defeat on a...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Most Tories will back the Government, and just about every Labour MP (only 10 Lab MPs are doubtful) will back a vote of no confidence, that’s a given. But, there doesn’t need to be a majority of Tory MPs to back the motion for it to win. Only a small group, about 20 MPs are needed for victory in...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, absolutely. Labour has to tread the line very carefully because it can’t afford to alienate either its cosmopolitan, Remain-supporting support nor its traditional working-class heartlands that voted Leave. Corbyn started his campaign trail today by arguing the system is failing ordinary...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I agree with the sentiment, but the Government can’t go on and find a solution if it can’t lass key legislation and has potentially lost a vote of no confidence. It’s also about holding the Government to account, which I believe Parliament is doing a good job of, in my view.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I didn’t realise he had, but with all that’s gone since, the political context has changed and Labour don’t seem to be in any mood to bail the Government out, and why would they? It’s difficult to say if a general election is a good idea or not because our parliamentary can produce pretty...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Corbyn’s support for the Customs Union was in Feb 2018, and the political climate has changed drastically since. The Government has lost two parliamentary votes in 2 days and faces a third, fatal one next week. Labour have smelled blood and have said they will ‘immediately’ table a motion of no...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The Brexiteer MPs would mutiny over the proposal to remain in the customs union. Labour, similarly, wouldn’t lend its support to that bill. They want an election and politically, it’s toxic for them to support May’s deal, even with an amendment. Right now, if a general election was called, the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In this scenario, the Government at this point wouldn’t have support for its withdrawal deal so it’s inconceivable it would be tabled. Say it did, Parliament will make its own amendments changing the bill. An example amendment could be to make it a full referendum. Parliament is in control...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Considering a referendum bill would need to be passed, and parliament wouldn’t pass that bill, the suggestion is neither here nor there.
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