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Your opening paragraph speaks volumes and sounds so familiar.

I have always been totally against chopping and changing and sacking managers. It never gives a manager a chance to build, it is disruptive and prevents stability. It is usually counter productive and means we go two steps forward to go three steps back. However, the one clause I would...

Are we going down with a fight though or with a whimper?

Good point. Never heard of an ear injury keeping someone out before, unless he means ear infection. That could affect his balance of course. When he says ear injury maybe he just means the lad heard something he wasn't supposed to have heard.

But he was talking about loans. What the hell is the point of loans? By Jan we will be down. What we will then need are transfers ready for a League One campaign. Loan players will serve no purpose at all unless they are loan to perm, but that's not what the club and manager have been talking...

It's a reluctant yes from me. :(

Agree to a point, Nonleague. But there seems a reluctance by some to attribute any blame upon the manager whatsoever. And that is just plain daft. Thorn has made some bad mistakes. Every time these are pointed out though all that comes back is that it's Sisu's fault.

So it was Sisu's fault that Thorn didn't check Blackpool's tactics before we played them? Okay then. :facepalm:

Not mis-reading it. I am saying why is he saying this now! The window is closed, nothing can happen til January. Why didn't he come out with this before the window closed! What point does it serve asking the board to back him when they now can't.

January is too late. By the looks of it we are going to be at least 16 points adrift by then.

And why are people on CWR saying that now Thorn sounds like he has had enough and he needs players. Does he not know the transfer window is now closed? Why make a stand now? Nothing can now happen til January! Absolute tosh.

The other thing that is now peeing me off is that he is saying that we are making too many individual mistakes at the back that is costing us goals. He is missing the point. He needs to look at the other end of the pitch. We need to score at an average of more than one goal a game to have any...

What players? Where is the money coming from? :facepalm:

Totally agree. Put the same effort in that we put up against West Ham and I will back Andy Thorn 100%. Fact is we are not. 1 game in 20. Too many games where we are not turning up.

"Roll on January when I can hopefully bring some players in." :facepalm::facepalm: Have you learned nowt?

I know you were being sarcastic.

Course it matters when we are relegated. :facepalm:We go down by Christmas we are probably going to go down as the worst team in the entire history of the Championship/old first diviosin.

We can go down with 45 points or we can go down with 20 points. Does it make a difference? Yes, of course it does. You can't just say we're going down anyway so Thorn isn't to blame for any part of it. If we go down but go down with a fight then that gives us hope for next season. We finish with...

That is a possibility. Wouldn't surprise me.

But this points to a lack of motivation from the manager or a lack of belief in the manager or players not caring. If it's the latter then that flies in the face of all the players loving Thorn and being totally behind him.