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And I also have to add, I'm not wrong just because you say I'm wrong, limoncello. Fine if you think Sven was a good manager for us. I thought he was awful. And that is based on the supposed golden age of players he had at his disposal (Beckham, Ferdinand, Lampard, Gerrard, Owen etc.)

I'm not wrong though. Find the tapes of the games, watch the matches and see how deep we defended trying to hang on for a result with the quality of the players we had.

That's a good call actually. Either him or Bobby Gould. :whistle:

Wenger would have us playing good attacking football and Jose is clearly a winner. I know Sven's record was excellent before England but he was too soft with the players. Jose would take no shit from anyone and knock them into shape.

Have to disagree on Sven. Thought he was dreadful, especially considering the players he had at his disposal. I remember wacthing England games at the 2002 and 2006 World Cups screaming at the TV for us to push forwards and stop defending so deeply and I clearly recall the commentators and...

I would be happy with Wenger. Or Jose. We have had a losing mentality for far too long now going into games. Ultra cautious and usually playing with very little freedom.

Look at the squad Sven had in 2006!! 2 Gary Neville 18 February 1975 (aged 31) 79 Manchester United 3 DF Ashley Cole 20 December 1980 (aged 25) 46 Arsenal 4 MF Steven Gerrard 30 May 1980 (aged 26) 42 Liverpool 5 DF Rio Ferdinand 7 November 1978 (aged 27) 47 Manchester United...

Ohh, Sven made my blood boil. Then we did have some very good players and he was far too cautious and as games wore on in tournaments we defended deeper and deeper and deeper and just tried to hang on. The bloke drove me nuts.

Disagree. Think he is part of the problem.

Too cautious. Just like Capello (Sven, McLarene etc.) and so many before him. Something about England that just cries out let's be cautious and defend really deeply. It's almost like we set out not to lose half the time.

Thing that really irks me the most is that we know our defence is poor. We know we are susceptible and it is our weakest side to our game. That's why we should have just gone for it tonight. I think we were too cautious, too deep and really didn't get at them as we should have.

Err, let me guess. Played out for a gentle 1-1 draw.

I wish they would stop talking about it not being all over yet too. We are OUT!! Forget it. Too many permutations. Play the kids on Tuesday. Forget any hope of getting through. Worry is though that Roy will still play the old stagers on the back over a 1% chance of getting through. I do wish...

Really think we need to rip it up and start again and I would start with Hodgson. Again tonight there was caution and lack of flair and belief. Thought we had blown those cobwebs away. When we attack with freedom we look good, when we start using caution we look piss poor. We should have...

Agree! We didn't have a go. I said during the friendlies, we looked better (apart from the back 4) with the youngsters in (Barclay, Lallana, Wilshere, Ox, Sterling etc.) And I disagree about us being beaten by Suarez. We were beaten by a better Uruguayan side. We simply weren't good enough.

Sorry to keep banging on about this, but I once again go back to the fact that we didn't deal with Pirlo last Saturday. Big Hodgson mistake I think. He has now come out and said Sterling was allocated to deal with Pirlo. Now, Sterling did have a very good game of course, but with him up the...

England never lost their first 2 games in the World Cup. This now officially makes us the worst ever England team ever. Oops.

He has. Poor.

Wasn't expecting miracles, but certainly not out after 2 games.

Not if the ball stays by the corner flag for 5 mins