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Totally agree. All this nonsense talk of how England might yet still get through has been embarrassing. We deserve to go home and shouldn't be praying on a sequence of unlikely results to limp us through.

Found this interesting on the same subject. A report from 2008 on England stars of the future. http://soccerlens.com/top-20-future-england-football-stars/16341/ Jose Baxter now at Sheff Utd. Mark Beevers now at Millwall John Bostock now playing in Belgian 2nd division. Nathan...

January 2013, these 15 teens were indentified (albeit by the Mail). Not sure how many of them have progressed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2260119/Englands-future-15-teen-stars-YOU-excited-about.html Think George Green many have been the player I heard about.

Another player I thought might make the step up was Tom Ince, but again after early promise I don't think he has reached the heights it looked like he could.

Oh and I wish Kyle Walker had have been fit. Would have him in the team anyday over Glen Johnson, who now seems a shadow of the player he once was.

Thought Zaha was going to be a really good player for the future, but he seems to have stalled somewhat, same as Josh McEachran. I hear good things about Morrison and Will Hughes, so time will tell I guess. One thing we do need is a very good out and out goal scorer. A real goal poacher. I...

I'm hoping too that Gerrard calls it a day. Been a good servant to England but now time to move on and he'll be too old for the Euro's in 2016. Fresh blood, new captain.

Right, with you. I do think plain white is a bit dull. Leeds have looked very boring at times .... and played like it too in the past.

Group E England Switzerland Slovenia Estonia Lithuania San Marino Just reflecting on England and therefore the future. Anyone else slightly disappointed with that Euro qualifying group above for 2016? Seem certain to qualify out of that I would think and then it will be back into a...

Haven't Leeds any colour in their badge then? I have no idea.

Yeah, you're right Macca. Just a little right wing.

Don't do away games so have no idea about away kits. Does still look anaemic though and rather bland.

Cheaper. And doesn't matter if fans are up in arms this time does it. People aren't going up anyway. That does look really anaemic though I have to say.

Disagree, Stu. I thought we played well against Italy and very poorly last night. So many passes were going astray, we were riddled with errors and the final ball into the box was abysmal. Hodgson got a number of things wrong and the buck stops with him. He did blood a couple of youngsters but...

I do think Hodgson is partly to blame. Sterling earmarked to look after Pirlo? Bet if you watch a replay of that Italian game now you probably wouldn't find Sterling within 10 yards of Pirlo all game. Wrong tactics. That is down to the manager unfortunately.

I'm confused. Are you talking about Paul Teflon or Joe Elliott?

I see that one report on the game last night described England as 'utterly passive.' Summed up perfectly for me and that same phrase could have been used many, many times over the years of these tournaments, World Cup and Euro's alike.

Stuart Linnell has never been a professional footballer or held any position of authority in the game so his opinion is absolutely of no interest to me. Same for Eakin and Foster etc. I don't take too much heed at all as to what most commentators say, but I do listen to ex players with in...

I think too often It has been all about Rooney as our star player and everything has revolved around him, but he is just one player in a team of 11. I liked the way that at one point he went to take the ball off Barclay and Barclay was having none of it. I think there is a place for Rooney in...

Pointless going backwards anyway. I just witnessed yet another cautious performance from an England team and this has been going on for an age and a day.