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Will do. Now back to the "facts". Come on RFC, lay out the facts and back up your claims. Please.

please show me the facts for all your claims - including smoking guns. or shut the fuck up!

Please add the question as to whether Otium have suggested anything Wasps could do for the benefit of CCFC. I think Wasps have ideas as what to do for their own benefit, but it's up to CCFC to ask for improvements from Wasps. They are the tenants and should put their suggestions to the landlords.

You arte the one talking about a future 3m loss. That is not a fact. A fact is that Wasps have saved their rent costs and have access to F&B and have a better sponsorship deal. Fact is they are sitting better than they were. You cannot say that we will not progress under SISU as a fact. We...

If that meant just about paying the investors their interest ( anything more than they would get at a bank would be at least not be a loss ), we would drift along in the lower reaches for the foreseeable future - taking no risks and not investing any more money. That would be ok for the...

Can someone explain how SISU get 365 days revenue on the P.i.t.S. Stadium. ( their Plan apparently ). The picture Showed a stadium and they want to build a training area. They will play Football 23 times a year. So, where does 365 days come into it? If it doesn't, how will they finance it? A...

Plus there are economies of scale if everything belongs to the same group. One marketing company, one firm providing staff e.g. Stewards. CCFC and Wasps just concentrate on the sporting side and an administrative firm takes care of running the completely facility.

I don't think anything will Happen yet. But there is a logic in both clubs belonging to the same group. Wasps are losing money now, but the idea is to make money at the Ricoh. No-one can say whether it will work, but you cannot tell us that it won't - because we have no figures to go by. I would...

The residents would object and the council would be justified in rejecting it - as happened in Wycombe. We have a stadium and it cost a lot of time and money to get it approved - with council support and HR being sold off to developers ( a stadium to replace a stadium and not a second stadium )...

Second club to exsisting stadium owner....? Club then has ground. Investor has club.

er...that's what I just said. They do have to listen to the residents when a planning application is there.

Wasps tried that line in Wycombe - demonstrations, protests etc. and no planning permission - that is exactly why they are here. Do you think Cov would be any different? We have enough trouble trying to utilise the Ricoh - that's why Wasps need CCFC.

Fans are not obliged to return - especially if the quality on the field doesn't meet their own standards. They want at least a good performance even if we lose. How many good performances have our team provided since the Gillingham game? What progress has been made to improve the situation on...

Will never happen. They won't get planning permission. Residents will object citing the Ricoh as adequate for the city's needs. Second stadium in Cov would be pointless - as seen from the outside by neutral observers.

Does anyone ever refer to Tim Fisher as Mr Fisher? Just out of interest.

quite like Dublin.....;) prefer it to Exhall

SISU wanted "unencumbered freehold or nothing" with threats of litigation - which they duly carried out. The door was kept open for long enough, but they carried on with the JR and the P.i.t.S stadium crap. I assume that SISU bullshit continuously and am not sorely mistaken, but the council...

Apart from SISU unfortunately owning CCFC. The original plan was for CCFC to own at least part of the stadium for the reasons mentioned - but look at us.: homeless, no business plan, pleased that we have a cash flow plus ( more by luck than judgement ) selling our most promising players, relying...

To carry on in the vein of Michael's argument....do you have any evidence that the complete council voting to sell to Wasps was driven largely by spite? Or are you just saying that because it sounds good? Of course an extra team means extra revenue for businesses in the City. In that respect it...

Main difference to Tim: he found one with a stadium (32000) + complex at a bargain price- didn't bother going through the artist's Impression bit. Just did it.