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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Because if we do a deal that means we agree to something in order to get something in return. It depends on how badly we need something or how badly the EU wants something from us. The signs are that we will probably have to compromise on some things. But we don't know yet. For example: We agree...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I agree with you entirely about Juncker. I think he will be put under pressure to resign and the EU will introduce more democracy in future. If you want to talk more about Juncker, please do. We seem to agree on that and I am not arguing against you.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I thought we were talking about Boris because he is in the news ( Army Bike posted on this thread ) and Farage because KoK was praising him. Whatever Juncker may earn, say, or be, he wasn't what we were talking about.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I don't like Juncker. Full stop. Farage and Boris promised a future in the sun.... They 'won' let's see where we go from here. They are responsible for many people voting leave by lying to them - that is why I am having a go at them. Juncker didn't help either by being as he is - but he didn't...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Tusk does not make the rules as President either. Juncker was appointed by elected representatives and will - shortly - be removed by them. I agree the commission should be more democratic and transparent - so do a lot of European polititians. Whether the link comes from the Mail or the Express...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I don't like Juncker and I have mentioned the accusations of heavy drinking, e.g. Cognac for breakfast, before on this thread. We were, however, talking about Farage and Johnson because KoK has said that both are honest. You were saying that you don't want open borders, unelected politicians, a...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The Germans are linked to the pay of high court judges - but who pays the judges? The average income would be fairer. If the country was doing well they would benefit, if not, they would know how we feel.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes we do ( not every politcian is just there for the gravy train - not even Farage ). But I wouldn't make a big show of saying I want my life back, whilst at the same time milking the gravy train in a worse way ( hardly ever attending ) than the people I am criticising.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Astute is saying that Farage is right and quotes the CV of a Lithuanian MEP as 'proof'. Farage is standing up for Farage and is part of the banking and public school elite. Boris is a clown and people like a clown. But, he is dishonest and doesn't always admit his mistakes - that is why the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Ask Farage he knows how best to ride the gravy train. It is bad, but it is only one aspect of the EU.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Who appointed Mrs May? Did the electorate have any choice in the case of the new PM? Who appointed the Queen? Who appointed the members of the House of Lords? The UK is one state formed by 3 countries and 1 province with open borders, a single currency and free movement of people governed...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Did he have a job to give up or not?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How much does Farage get for attending less the Juncker?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Read Chief Dave's Post. He had to give it up. Read the CV and when you have done that tell me again that he never had a job. You have gone mad trying to support this disaster. Even if he gave his job up he still had a Job. Farage's own company is in voluntary insolvency. I wish he would give up...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Well according to Astute that is as Farage said ' never had a proper Job in his Life'. Kingofkings is convinced that Farage is honest and standing up to the establishment. Farage knows full well people will post his speech without the facts. Spin at it's best. Kok even believes it was Farage's...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Maybe will get that as a compromise . Germany wants that or something similar.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So being a surgeon for 6 years is not having a job? You are getting ridiculous now. Just admit Farage is a demagogue and a liar. Why is it so difficult to admit that when the evidence is staring you in the face?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Time will tell, but you could still end up with immigration and having to comply with EU regulations, but with no say in the matter. The deal has yet to be done. There are years of bureaucratic negotiations to come. Up until now nothing has happened to our trading conditions.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    They are in the same carriage as Farage - but don't pretend not to be. I don't know how much Juncker earns.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Spain and Greece were poor before the EU and they both had a run of relative prosperity before the crash of 2008 exposed that they were running on debt. What are Merkel's aims? Stability? Peace and prosperity? Humanitarian help? Which don't you like? His teachers described him as a fascist in...
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