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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    So they cannot be racist then?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Oh. You seem to have forgotten Boris and Farage... A week is a long time in politics.. No-one claims the Gove swung it, but Boris is counted as a deciding factor.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It has been claimed that hate crimes are just being reported more and/ or that it is probably extreme left people trying to discredit the leavers. The leavers have opened up a can of worms, but are painting it as a historic decision leading to a bright future - allbeit with a few minor...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You keep on about being called a racist, why? I have never said you were. I don't doubt that racists voted for the side that promised to control the flow of foreigners coming in. That doesn't mean that 17m leave voters are racists, altough some are.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I was answering your point, but I agree there was no monopoly on bullshit. Leave got their bullshit over better because their campaign was led by charasmatic populists. People are crying because this theatre boiled down to a propaganda contest and we are entering a voluntary recession and UK...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Are you Grendel? I said AfD would get 14%. A lot of their members are probably racists. Boateng is black and the quote by a leading AfD politician was that, although he is a good footballer people wouldn't want him as a neighbour. Sort of confirms racism in the AfD. How many are racist in the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Really? Are you saying that leave didn't scaremonger on immigration and that only Farage mentioned giving 350 m to the NHS? There are fact checks on the internet ( e.g. BBC ), this story doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It is true that living on an island makes it easier to control borders. Being on the continent it is very hard to control borders unless you build an iron curtain - no-one wants that. Are you saying there are no terrorists in the UK? How would France have controlled the fan movement in the EM...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I said AfD would get 14% in an election. In the East more than that - in Mecklenburg Vorpommern state election they expect 19%. I have said that AfD want a national Referendum on EU membership, but that they won't get one as Germany doesn't allow them because of historical reasons ( Hitler used...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Murdoch is an influential figure. Are you denying that? I hope Gove throws the towel in. We need an election. Boris is gone whoever's conspiracy theory is correct. This is too complicated for a straight in or out. It was not even a huge majority vote of voters and was a minority of eligble...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I haven't spoken to Boris or Gove and I am watching Germany Italy... My last info was about Murdoch. If you know otherwise, pray tell..
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What outcome did Murdoch want?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I don't like Referenda for such fundamental decisions - but, if we are playing that game, then how about 1 for NI and Scotland in the light of the UK one? In this case Cameron didn't control the media. He underestimated the leave campaign's resources. Murdoch did control a large Part of the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, I learned about modern history and the danger of Referenda ( e.g. Those called by the Nazis ), the German Constitution doesn't allow them for historical reasons. 14% would vote AfD. The Murdoch press wanted out and influenced their readers. Murdoch Said his papers would support Gove. Gove...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Because that is the law. The possibility of fraud was there - e.g. people counted postal votes alone. They could have binned some - noone can prove it either way.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I thought you inferred that 800000 Poles were here for our great NHS and schools? Strange, it sounds as if the apcalypse has already started according to your latest description. I would stay in Poland if it is that bad in the UK.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It is not the wind though is it? It is fact that England is taking Scotland out when they want to remain.
  18. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    It hasn't happened and May never happen, but I blame leave for NI and Scotland having an excuse for independance. The referendum was a mistake. There were too many considerations - a straight leave or remain did not offer any alternatives to 100% out.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    A vote to stay in when the English want to leave landed directly in her lap. Independance would have gone to sleep for at least another Generation - but now it is awake again.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, it was their choice - the point being who influenced that choice? BoJo - legged it. Gove - grabbing power. Murdoch - pushing his own views. The views/ interests of an Australian multi billionaire who won't live to be long term affected. Farage - a gravy train rider and opportunist. I don't...
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