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KCIC's agenda is a little something like this: People that are entitled to a return on their investment: Higgs, ACL, CCC People that are NOT entitled to a return on their investment: SISU People that must give away their interest in CCFC/Ricoh for free: SISU People who must NOT give away...

If this is the stance from KCIC then I'm afraid they have lost all credibility as a supporters group aiming to find a solution to all this.

You are right - but have any of our owners since early 90's been any good? Their actions have exacerbated the shite that went before. And given the fact as fans we can't agree on anything - I don't think we would actually do a very good job running a football club.

Michael - you said this barely 7 days ago in criticism of some of my comments "I never bought into the whole pro/anti acl/sisu thing and I lost interest in people arguing over it a long time ago. kcic is pro team and pro fan hence coming to our 4 key questions which are about how we get back...

Nice one Michael... What happened to 'we're not anti SISU/ACL - we're pro team' ? Has someone been in your ear promising you the world if we can get the bad SISU people? 'Yes Michael you can be on the fans board...' I don't know what's more of a joke...

Marshall is the only player making any kind of impression going forward.

What? Has he even had a shot??

Wilson doesn't look remotely interested. Is he injured?

The CET article is party their opinion aswell remember before the direct quote from JS

Firstly there would be no other set of circumstances them at could have occurred. If Higgs directors accepted it, and overall ACL rejected it, then it can only have been that CCC rejected it. Secondly, the only transaction between CCFC and ACL was the rental deal. Admin was sought to recover...

Their only stakeholders were Higgs and CCC. Higgs agreed to it. So given they rejected it we can only assume CCC did not. Revisiting the process would not have benefited any stakeholder unless they were trying to purchase the business themselves, as the settlement amount was the same...

ACL's obligations were to their shareholders to recover the maximum amount of monies owed. The amount of money they would receive was the same whether they rejected or accepted the CVA? So again - where is their benefit? The only benefit ACL could have got with the process being revisited would...

He's right though - what did ACL 'achieve' by rejecting the CVA? How did it benefit CCFC, or the City of Coventry? You may be right about process being flawed, but it is for the court to investigate the process if they feel something untoward has occured.

To be fair I've mostly had a go at ACL and CCC. You say that Higgs and SISU have tried to do dealings a few times, so clearly they feel there is some shared vision between them. But it falls apart every time CCC get involved. I get that SISU are hated, they've fucked up royally. But they still...

Success on the pitch is the main catalyst for return on investment. Hence the divide of wealth between PL and the rest. And it's all Sky's fault.

Of course they messed up - I am in total agreement. To not deal with that at the time of purchase was absurd. But at some point in the future the club and it's long term future had to be addressed. But the club can't suffer forever because of that mistake. I wouldn't say the lease argument is...

I was saying that's what would occur had the lease arrangement gone full term. Obviously that is not the case now. I can see the rationale for stadium ownership, but seeing as the Ricoh is there then a long term lease with all revenue streams is a far better scenario right now.

It takes a special person to love a council more than their football club.

There are more than sufficient 'mistruths' from both sides to suggest that all comments are to be read with a certain amount of cynicism.

If you are going to quote me - then do it properly. I said I quite clearly stated that the 'handing over' would be in exchange for a price. So the club buying the rights to these revenue streams. Or did that not fit in with your agenda?