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In any case the analogy concerned causation not the nature of the duty of care.

In law the principle of injury or damage is the same.

If a person leaves their car unlocked does that action cause it to be stolen? No, but they have been a contributory factor due to negligence. it isn't a crime to leave a car unlocked but it is a crime to steal an unlocked car

Still out of the league of anyone on here :facepalm: :guitar2:

I don't disagree with any of that. But unless they are murderers they have suffered a heavier price than their neglect deserves IMO. The loss itself is enough to kill you, but knowing you were foolishly neglecting your child and exposed her to, who knows what horrific end, that is too awful to...

Can we recall, just for the record, that the McCanns were dining 50 metres from their room in the closed holiday resort complex and it was considered safe, secure and normal for children to be in bed close by. Now we all know that was not so, but the context is important for balance. It is often...

I am sure if there was any evidence that they had committed any crime under Portuguese law they definitely would have been charged, no question. So we can assume there is no evidence of a crime. They have already been found guilty in the court of public opinion, however.

Hundreds of people leave children in a locked caravan, a chalet etc whilst they have a drink or meal nearby on holiday. I've witnessed it at holiday parks in the UK. That's what they did. It may be foolish but they are not alone in this foolishness. Many people sit at the end of their garden...

I agree to an extent but I've only heard the inverse argument. A lot of resentment against them was fuelled by the perception that because they were middle class they were getting in the papers and that working class types would have had little sympathy. So I think it depends on your prejudices...

What Otis said, seconded

Boxing Day 1970. A Christmas present and the only time my dad took me even though he had watched City avidly in the Clarrie Bourton and old 5 days. I sat in the last seat on the West End side of the Sky blue stand and nearly froze to death. It was a 1-1 draw with 2 penalties, ours by Neil...

Their washing machine only does a hot wash?

Look around you at the Ricoh. Most of our fans are over 40 For good reason since you have to be that old to remember any good times.

You may be unaware of the public sector pay freeze for 3-5 years followed by 1% until at least 2020. Many in the private sector are even worse off with hours cut, unpaid overtime expected etc. We are better off than many countries but less so than such a rich country, which rode the recession...

The sub is Graham Oakey. My user name gives a clue what I thought of him

God, we must have played that game without centre halves!

What does the UK gain if he wins his game? The euro-sceptic boil will not be lanced. Maybe the best we can hope for is that the nasty party is split and fails to recover? Also at least the media will stop obsessing over Labour and SNP, who have become an irrelevance for the next 4 years at...