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I am half Welsh, half English. Like all other halvies I have met I support Wales at rugby. It's just a primal scream. A remnant of rebellion in an oppressed nation. It is actually fuelled these days by the perceived lahdidah nature of most English rugby fans, very middle class and condescending...

As I said agree to disagree. I have not backtracked at all, merely clarified for people who were not clear about my very consistent viewpoint. No law was broken or they would have faced charges. Others have resorted to personal slurs. It is simply not true to say that everyone who breaks the law...

We agree their actions were negligent. The law is a very different beast. It is not easy to even get a legal definition of child neglect that you could feel confident would stand up in court. That's what court cases argue over. U.K. Law does not expect us to predict or foresee all dangers. It...

Don't think so. If you want to find where I did?

You're entitled to your opinion. That is not a fair summary of my views so I'm wasting my time. I have never said child neglect is not against the law. I have said defining it and making a case to prove it is very difficult. You are unable or unwilling to grasp the nuance of my points so let's...

I have never done a real bet ever. It does not appeal to me. I have been to a casino a couple of times and that was ok. However, I am still waiting for the Villa fan to pay me £10 when we had a bet on Villa going down last season.

It would depend on the circumstances. How many children are injured or die when not wearing a seatbelt? Should parents be prosecuted for that? It's what police, crown prosecution service and courts are there for to judge the circumstances. My instinct is to be merciful and I think prison is for...

We will just have to agree to differ. This is my last word ... A foolish and stupid mistake was made by possibly foolish and neglectful people. Nothing can be gained from prosecuting them. Their punishment is a lifetime of bitter anguish. You would like that to be spent in a cell. I beg to differ.

They were in the garden, as it happens. The restaurant was 50 yards from their room in the garden of the exclusive holiday village. Let's just leave it. We are not going to agree.

A court would not look just at the outcome but whether the action was reasonable before not after the event. There would be a huge argument between 2 sets of lawyers about the reasonableness of the action. That's if it made it to court. Do you recall the dingo took the baby case? No good came of...

Not very democratic, a Twitter survey! So about 20 kids voted then? :claping hands:

There's no comparison since that is clearly a crime committed, manslaughter. I ask again. What would be gained from a prosecution? Do you not think they have suffered? Why would you want them to suffer some more? Revenge? Spite? It certainly won't prevent further cases like this. No parent will...

It would be difficult to prove that they put the children at significant risk of harm since they were only 50 metres away in a secure holiday village, were checking on them every 30 minutes and believed they were safe. My question hasn't been answered yet. What would be gained? You clearly want...

Child neglect has to be interpreted in law. A case has to be argued. It is not an easy case to prove. You havent addressed my question What would be the point?

When women moan in this way they are not looking for solutions and they get annoyed when you offer solutions. They are not stupid they have already thought of most of these and rejected them. They have already decided there is no solution and that stinks. They want you to confirm this and...

We all agree it is child neglect. They did not break a law in that or this country, as far as I know. I don't think they would have been prosecuted in the UK as the circumstances did not break any law and I think the police would simply not press any charges. To suggest they left this country...

1)When we hear of a child being harmed we all panic and fear it could happen to us. 2)Then we persuade ourselves that it could never happen to us because we are good parents. I wouldn't have done X, y or z. 3) Next we must satisfy ourselves that the parents of the victim were bad parents. Not...

As I understand it the case would hinge on whether there was "significant risk of harm" in UK. Do you know what the law in Portugal was in the relevant year?

No idea and I can't see the relevance as nobody is arguing that they aren't guilty of a lack of care. Whether it amounts to a crime is what is relevant and whether they caused a crime is relevant. I think probably their action wasn't a crime and their action didn't cause​ a crime. It was at...