Search results

  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Irony. You talked about skewed statistics whilst skewing statistics. Labour and Conservative are guaranteed to get about 70% of the vote in every general election since WW2. The 2017 election has nothing to do with the referendum. That's an intellectually lazy and dishonest argument. Besides...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’m sure people Leave would’ve won the referendum had the electorate known we were headed for a ‘no deal’ Brexit... ... Or May’s deal, which is worst of both worlds, of remaining tied to the EU indefinitely. Without the perks of EU membership, and without the perks of a no deal. That 2%...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    If the electorate still wanted to leave the EU, then sure, why not have a choice of what kind of Brexit we wanted.
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    <insert dictators name> is not a valid political argument.
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    With another referendum, yes.
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How would it be undemocratic if the electorate voted against Brexit in another referendum? It’s not just me, if May’s deal gets rejected about 64% want a second referendum. Seems like it would be undemocratic to just go through with Brexit without a deal. It’s an oxymoron: ‘undemocratic...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    A referendum is a form of direct democracy, the purest democracy has to offer. People voted to leave, an elected government has gone away and negotiated a deal and to hold a vote on that deal is about as close to pure democracy as you can get. A referendum cannot be undemocratic in any...
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    My arguments attenpt to be apolitical because I genuinely think a second referendum is very likely. Where my bias is, however, that I said that from Day 1, to uni friends and close friends.
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Fair enough, I’ll go back and edit your name out of the original posts to avoid misrepresenting your view. At least one person proposed it way back in the thread when I originally got involved.
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That’s democracy, and public opinion is constantly changing. Referendums, as a rule of thumb, tend to be rare so I imagine it’d be off the table for a while after a final say on the deal. The scenario we find ourself in is exceptional hence the necessity for something as a drastic as another...
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    This is a paraphrase of one of your posts: ‘I still put it even between leave without a deal,leave accepting the deal and ending up with another referendum.’ This is quite vague and it’s meaning is unclear to me. I’ve interpreted as options for a referendum if the government chose that route...
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I wouldn’t be happy with the result, but I’d consider the issue done and dusted either way. Where would the demand be for an immediate third referendum after second one? The issue would be resolved until there was a demand for third. If that was a year, 10, 20, 30+ years then it’s not...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    Incoming ! - Bright Enobakhare

    Looks like a handy player. Hopefully a more team orientated version of Nazon too!
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    There wasn’t a super majority for the first one, so why would there be in second? Simple majority wins, simple as that in my view. As I’ve stated previously, the issue of EU membership will not go away regardless of what happens this year, with regards to Brexit.
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You have misread my argument because I’m against having 3 options on the ballot paper, which a couple of posters have suggested. I’m against it because it will split the Leave vote and that is wrong. I demonstrated this by imaging a scenario where Remain ‘won’ in an unfair way. I’m in favour of...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Look, we’re going over old ground here. Yes it was a definite answer. Which is why the UK Government invoked Article 50 and has spent the last 2 and a half years negotiating that deal. But, in 2019, we’re in a position where Parliament is likely to reject that Brexit deal and the alternative...
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You’ve misread my post. My argument is against a preferendum, not for it. A second referendum needs two options so the answer is decisive. If there was a preferendum and voting for 3 options, you could get a skewed result as the largest % would win, no? In the scenario I laid out, Remain would...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    A ‘preferendum’ isn’t viable in my opinion for a two main reasons. First, the likelihood of an absolutely majority that is above 50% of the popular vote is decreased and to me, it isn’t an optimal solution. A referendum, by contrast, offers a definite answer from the public. Second, I actually...
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    McNulty

    Because Leon Clarke is a proven goalscorer in L1 and above. But, more importantly, offers something different to what we have, he’s a focal point in attack who’s good in the air. Where does McNulty actually fit in? Reading aren’t going to let McNulty go for cheap considering they’ve spent £1m on...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    McNulty

    Considering McNulty wouldn’t come cheap, is it really worth it? Hasn’t played a lot, seemingly unfit, and frankly, isn’t the same player who scored 28 for us. Ideally, I’d have preferred him to stay, but the die has been cast and I don’t see a need for him. The risk outweigh the rewards and like...
Top