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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Nick Boles (apologies, he’s ex-cabinet, not current) and Anna Soubry, the latter reckons she leads a bunch of One Nation Tories who will vote against the government in order to prevent a no-deal scenario. Several ministers like Richard Harrington are threatening to quit government to prevent a...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Very different contexts. There are senior Tories, even in cabinet who have said they will resign and vote and against the Government. There’s a significant chunk of Remainer Tories who don’t want to leave at all and will vote to prevent a no-deal scenario. 20 MPs have already broke ranks in...
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    How can you spew on about ‘the truth’ when you say you don’t know what will happen. I’ve attempted to make sense of the situation on how things will proceed. I have said if May loses this Brexit deal vote, she will resign or she’ll lose a vote of no confidence. Only a small minority of Tory...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Today, BBC analysis reckons May’s withdrawal is going to be beaten by 228 votes in Parliament. If that doesn’t make May resign, it will trigger a motion of no confidence and we’ll see who is right. I suspect you’ll be disappointed.
  5. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    You say ‘we don’t know what will happen’ as if the signs aren’t already there. The Government has been defeated 7 times in Parliament in under 18 months. This is pretty unheard of in UK politics. To put into perspective, Cameron was defeated 9 times in 6 years. Most significantly, a defeat on a...
  6. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Most Tories will back the Government, and just about every Labour MP (only 10 Lab MPs are doubtful) will back a vote of no confidence, that’s a given. But, there doesn’t need to be a majority of Tory MPs to back the motion for it to win. Only a small group, about 20 MPs are needed for victory in...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes, absolutely. Labour has to tread the line very carefully because it can’t afford to alienate either its cosmopolitan, Remain-supporting support nor its traditional working-class heartlands that voted Leave. Corbyn started his campaign trail today by arguing the system is failing ordinary...
  8. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I agree with the sentiment, but the Government can’t go on and find a solution if it can’t lass key legislation and has potentially lost a vote of no confidence. It’s also about holding the Government to account, which I believe Parliament is doing a good job of, in my view.
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I didn’t realise he had, but with all that’s gone since, the political context has changed and Labour don’t seem to be in any mood to bail the Government out, and why would they? It’s difficult to say if a general election is a good idea or not because our parliamentary can produce pretty...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Corbyn’s support for the Customs Union was in Feb 2018, and the political climate has changed drastically since. The Government has lost two parliamentary votes in 2 days and faces a third, fatal one next week. Labour have smelled blood and have said they will ‘immediately’ table a motion of no...
  11. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The Brexiteer MPs would mutiny over the proposal to remain in the customs union. Labour, similarly, wouldn’t lend its support to that bill. They want an election and politically, it’s toxic for them to support May’s deal, even with an amendment. Right now, if a general election was called, the...
  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    In this scenario, the Government at this point wouldn’t have support for its withdrawal deal so it’s inconceivable it would be tabled. Say it did, Parliament will make its own amendments changing the bill. An example amendment could be to make it a full referendum. Parliament is in control...
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Considering a referendum bill would need to be passed, and parliament wouldn’t pass that bill, the suggestion is neither here nor there.
  14. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, most of us on here have already made up our minds one way or the other. I’ve laid out what I think will happen, we’ll see what happens. If May’s deal gets rejected, we’re headed to ballot box at least once, if not twice (or even 3 times). The...
  15. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I think the government should have to come up with a Plan B in 3 days as opposed to 3 weeks. The Government and its ministers are bound to criticise Bercow because he’s restricting their powers. Just because someone says it’s ‘extremely concerning’ doesn’t make it so. Let’s not forget that his...
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Usually, when there’s a deadlock between Government and Parliament, the electorate is consulted via an election or, later, referendums. That’s been the way of Parliament since the 18th century.
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    What does that mean exactly? Leaving without a deal or is that renegotiating May’s deal. You’ve not made that clear. Either way, you’re not grasping the fact that MPs are voting against the Government’s deal and are voting to prevent a no-deal scenario. Again, the problem is how can the result...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Ok. But, both options for Brexit are currently being blocked by Parliament, rightly or wrongly. In this scenario, how can the result of 2016 be honoured? Answer that.
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    But did the 52% vote for May’s deal? No, as the stats show they favour no deal to May’s deal. But, a no deal Brexit doesn’t have a majority either. Would 52% have voted to Leave if they knew we’d leave without a deal? I doubt that very much. Whether or not that is the case is irrelevant because...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    As things stand, when May’s deal is rejected, the alternative to a second referendum is to leave without a deal. Parliament is, however, acting to prevent that. You keep questioning saying a second referendum would unify the country, that’s not my argument, I called it a ‘best bet’. Since you...
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