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  1. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Let's not forget the 118 rebels from the Conservative party and the 10 DUP MPs who voted against the deal. The deal isn't an acceptable one to Parliament and that's why there was opposition across the political spectrum. The amendments were moved (1 Tory, PC and SNP as well as the Labour one) so...
  2. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Not necessarily, the legal default at this moment is a no deal Brexit and with no Parliamentary majority for an alternative, it could push Tory MPs to do the unthinkable. Parliament is completely paralysed and something needs to budge.
  3. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Funnily enough, that is the strategy of the Labour to force an election...
  4. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Wouldn't be a very good mugging if you still had your wallet and keys!
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    For what it's worth, Labour had led the Conservatives on economic management in 2010, in the middle of the recession. Polls on leadership and the economy usually favours the incumbent PM and party -- but a party typically doesn't win power if it trails on both of those measures.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    For starts, the SNP, LD, Greens and PC have all said for talks to be 'constructive', the PM needs to rule out the possibility of a no-deal Brexit and seriously entertain the prospect of a People's Vote. Labour's position on this is the same minus the People's Vote part, which Corbyn will not...
  7. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Frankly, had she shown a willingness to cooperate with others, we wouldn't even be in a position where her deal was rejected by 230 votes. She really should have resigned for this monumental cock-up. Theresa May is in no position to lecture anyone on the national interest and is guilty as anyone...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Some polls are saying very different things with a few polls having Labour ahead by 1-2%, others having them neck and neck with YouGov having the Tories up by 4%. There's some analysis that suggests Labour would gain around 23 seats from the Conservatives but lose 4 to the SNP in Scotland and...
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Corbyn in Parliament today said the Labour Party will only open dialogue with the Government if the PM announces that she will rule out a no deal Brexit. This is a valid position because this is now the legal alternative after the her deal was defeated yesterday. The SNP, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru...
  10. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    PM making an emergency statement at 10 pm... I wonder what it is?
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  12. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    From Stalinist to Owen Jones... you’ve gone soft!
  13. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I disagree, populism is in the rise and Corbyn was is in line with public opinion on a few issues. Namely on taxation and nationalisation, where the public is generally left wing. Labour’s strategy in 2015 was totally flawed because it basically offered diluted Toryism and was debating on Tory...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    When I seen his position on that, I thought any hope he had of a leadership challenge were finished. The Tory membership certainly don’t seem phased by these positions. There’s a reason I listed Gove and Boris Johnson before JRM...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    He’s very popular with the membership, but since he’s adamant he wouldn’t run, the point is neither here nor there.
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The Government has said its their deal or no deal and has promptly said no deal is not Government policy. That was the condition under which a few mentioned Tories would break ranks. The facts have changed, therefore, my opinion has too.
  17. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I imagine that the next Tory leader would be a Brexiteer as the Tory membership now favours a no deal Brexit. Gove and Johnson probably ought to be the frontrunners, or Rees-Mogg should he decide to run. The Tories are divided now, a ‘heroic’ Brexiteer willing to actually go through with a no...
  18. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I certainly think there will be pressure on her to resign. Right now, the picture is unclear until the Government announces its next steps since the Tory MPs who have said they’ll vote with Labour if a ‘No Deal Brexit’ became Government policy. Which Teresa May has ruled out immediately after...
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That was never in doubt. The question is, will any Conservative MPs resign the Tory whip and/or break ranks with the Government. People like Soubry, Boles and Grieve are already facing calls to be deselected by their membership. They may be willing to vote against the Government. It’s certainly...
  20. Mucca Mad Boys

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The biggest of all time. The largest defeat before that was 166 votes on a whipped vote. If May stays on as PM it will be staggering as this Brexit deal is the flagship legislation of this Government. She’s lost the confidence of the Commons and under normal circumstances, a PM would usually...
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