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Thanks OSB, I hoped you would chip in with some guidance. So are my assumptions (as far as they go) on the effect of FFP correct? They seem to be, having checked your thread.

Originally Posted by CCFC_GT Whatever the rights and wrongs in the way SISU has gone about its business in taking on ACL over the whole rent/rates/revenue issue, and i am not seeking to defend them here, the deal that ACL has proposed doesn't offer any significant increase in revenue, which...

Whatever the rights and wrongs in the way SISU has gone about its business in taking on ACL over the whole rent/rates/revenue issue, and i am not seeking to defend them here, the deal that ACL has proposed doesn't offer any significant increase in revenue, which CCFC needs in order to build a...

Not sure what it means value wise to be honest, which is why mediation would be a good thing if it can be done.

I agree that the full rights to all revenue streams from the arena should only come from purchasing the arena. This is why the Council position that the arena (and with it the rights to all the income streams) is not for sale to any buyer, is to the detriment of CCFC as it may deter any other...

In the interview that TF gave he first quoted food & beverage revenue as an example, but then went on to mention "advertising, stadium sponsorship rights and car paking, you name it", and it is clear that beyond match day revenues, the brand of CCCFC adds significant value to such things as...

Yes ACL has offered serious concessions on rent that was agreed in a legally binding contract, and even TF accepts this, but unless ACL is prepared to negotiate on the wider issue of a fair distribution of revenue for CCFC (not SISU), then the football club does not have a sustainable business...

Yes but on the sole issue of rent, not the bigger picture of rent and revenue combined, which is the real issue here and which needs mediation.

Ah ok, just listened closely to that part of the PKH interview, and he seemed to be referring to wanting to publish his notes rather than any official minutes of the meeting, but i understand your point. Having listened to both PKH and TF interviews my impression is that PKH is absolutely...

I am sure that whichever party the arbitration decision favours will be quick to publish it ;)

Yes arbitration can be reneged on by either party, but it does have a point as it gives an independent view on a fair settlement, and would be interesting to see.

Originally Posted by CCFC_GT Clearly none of us know the numbers and the extent to which additional revenue would benefit CCFC, because the Council is not even willing to divulge revenue figures to SISU. The only certainty is that CCFC would be better off than they are if they had additional...

To an extent I don't disagree with your point, which i assume is regarding the rent, not revenue which has been the main thrust of this particular debate, and i also understand, as i hope you do, that the two are inextricably linked in the dispute between the Council and SISU. I would not wish...

Fisher did not refute the figure he said the figure came from Daniel Gidney (former CEO of the Ricoh Arena), but that it did not form part of the current negotiations. To quote Ashbyjan from the Thread entitled "We have to pay acl £24m for revenue rights":- "Have just spoken to Tim Fisher and...

Clearly none of us know the numbers and the extent to which additional revenue would benefit CCFC, because the Council is not even willing to divulge revenue figures to SISU. The only certainty is that CCFC would be better off than they are if they had additional revenue, and that should be of...

SISU has invested in CCFC, it has invested £45M, though it has clearly not done this well as it has nothing to show for it but a huge potential loss, I think we would all agree on that. Revenue is critical to any business, and particularly so to CCFC since the introduction of the FFP rules...

OK, so for you the finances of the Council are more important than the future of CCFC, that's fine and you are as entilted to your opinion as the rest of us. However, the difficulties that the football club face are not temporary, they are permanent for as long as the council maintains its...

Whereas we are not fortunate enough to have owners that are willing to sustain big losses year on year on a business that has virtually no assets and restricted access to revenues :facepalm:

Yes of course SISU knew about the income stream and cost (rent) arrangements when they took over, but clearly they expected to negotiate a reasonable deal encompassing both cost and revenue. The good deal the Council has now offered on the rent does not solve the problem for our football club...