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Soccer AM does this every week, followed by the hilarious 'Tubes' doing a crazy 'rap' and being really wacky, and then something about how women are just there for sex and stuff and then some shit indie band saying nothing of worth and not even liking SOCCER. Great, influential show that carries...

Wasn't O'Donovan signed by Boothroyd anyway, considering he'd pursued him at Colchester too?

But you could counter that with a number of players who've come and gone on to better things during his time also. If people are going to claim that people other than Thorn found players like Gunnarsson, Fox etc. it's not fair to say for sure that all the duds were his also.

Show me a scout with a flawless list of recommended players and I'll let you take my unicorn for a spin.

You really can't claim scapegoat when you're clearing a manager with two wins of any wrongdoing.

Nobody is making the manager a scapegoat. If anything he's getting the complete opposite treatment.

SISU are and will always be the scapegoats for everything for as long as they're here. For a man with two wins by December, Thorn's getting a grace period like I've never seen before amongst Cov fans.

No, I'm holding it up as your point which I completely disagree with. I'm saying that there are issues that he has no control over (like every manager who ever lived) but these are NOT reasons to absolve him of all blame. Nobody is blameless, yet people defend Thorn because he's seen as...

The players should definitely take blame, everyone involved should; that's my point. Thorn should too, as his job is managing the side. There are restrictions on what he does, but these should not be reasons to absolve him of all blame.

You can point to track records of managers that go beyond chief scout, you can point to people with actual experience of managing football teams more than a few months, of coaching, of adapting to what's going on. Can't do that with Thorn, all you can do is reiterate that he can't do anything...

Again, where's the case for Thorn as a good manager? A year ago he'd taken charge of as many matches as I have, and I'm still not too far behind him when it comes to points on the board.

I don't believe that they're not trying their best to win games, that's just an easy excuse to explain away flaws, such as the coaching, preparation and application of the team. Likewise I believe Thorn's doing his best, but I've seen NO evidence that suggests he's doing as well as anyone could...

So money is both the problem and the solution, and Thorn is both blameless and useless? Quite the pickle.

Erm, you ought to read my post again before calling it WRONG. I didn't mention last season in any way, we've dropped points this season from advantageous positions.

If nobody's fighting, why did I buy all this popcorn? Damn you all.

If anyone does use that as a defence, I will back you up all the way. Not literally though, can't be arsed going to court.

This is peoples chance to test them out really. The club clarified its stance last time and we know the saucy frisks are coming, so anyone with their banner inside the safe size etc. should come armed with a printout of the rules to slap in their faces. (Don't actually slap it in their faces)

Whisky in a catheter!

Don't carry anything that contravenes the rules they apparently clarified last time people kicked up a stink, use them as reference if it comes up. There you go.

Only to a certain extent. How long can leads be dropped and simple mistakes made while people pass it off as 'no money' though? If players can build a lead or get back into a game and continually throw points away, the manager simply can't be looked upon as doing the best job possible. If it's...