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CJParker, Well done for keeping going against the curse of irrationality tonight. Classic pack behaviour: surround, confuse with obscure questions, take minor points out of context and ignore the major points, keep obscuring the issues with irrelevant comparisons, refer back to an alleged...

Just to clarify, again. SBKid lost it when 3 posters ganged up on him. I supported his view that the debate was not reasonable and moderation should weed out bullying tactics. I did not support the way he expressed his frustration. As a teacher I see this all the time.

I think that's what you said in your post at 5:38. Happy to withdraw if mistaken?

SBTaylor, no doubt you can find an example of me making personal insults on those 3 posters?

I have agreed with that point torchomatic

SBTaylor, you are correct. I am not up to a bar room brawl style of debate. It ends in blood and no solution. You see debating as warfare. I see it, as Socrates did, as honest men trying to find the truth by reason and thought.

Torch, you are asking me to make personal remarks about another poster, which I don't want to do. Let's just say, I understand SBKid's frustration which makes him resort to insults. I do not agree with that though. He was definitely provoked, by the posters he named, and lost it. It is hard...

SBTaylor, I did not answer the points that you raised because they made no sense and avoid all the main points up for debate. It is not sixth form debate club where the objectives are to try to catch people out, obscure the issue, pick on a minor inconsistency in an opponent's argument in order...

You are ticking off all the items on my former list. Keep going.

Again wrong. I can see both sides of the debate and try to keep an open mind.

No I was not supporting SBKid in his making of personal insults. Again, you have jumped to a wrong conclusion. I was supporting his assertion that the moderator should be looking at bullying comments made on the forum. Hypocrite means you say one thing and do another. I think you meant...

BTW you have misused the word, Hypocrite, SBTaylor.

SBTaylor, you did the same again by taking one of the points in my list and saying, in effect, I'm not the only one (the classic schoolboy error, I know from experience) You then ignored all the other, and might I say, stronger points I raised. This is the tactic of a person who does not want a...

I agree torch and did not state that it was only on one side of the debate. Again you inferred from omission a view I do not hold. I have not insulted anyone and would rather delete my account than stoop so low. However, when irrationality is faced some people lose it.

I rest my case.

Just like to add my support to SkyblueKid. You cannot reason with people who refuse to address the points raised by those they disagree with, but instead Resort to personal insults Pick on subsidiary clauses not the main points raised ie. Keep changing the terms of debate and obscuring the...

Good luck with that. All councillors are Labour or Conservative, I think. All voted for the current council position. Do you really think you can get a council which had a majority which was not Labour or Conservative? The majority in each ward would have to vote Lib Dem, Green, indie or...

The unreasoning use: personal slights and insults, ad hominem, playing the man not the ball. Non sequiters, jumping to a different point etc. I could go on but I've said goodnight. PUSB

You cannot reason with the unreasonable. I'm out. Goodnight all. PUSB

You proved my point there, not yours, sorry. As you're not prepared to read posts or admit you have misrepresented another poster's views I will not be replying to any further posts on this thread.