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It is a crisis. Nothing is more important. We need a party or group of MPs for people to vote for.

Yes, but there was more to the election vote than a yes:no to Brexit.

Libdems are too small. They had their chance and blew it. They have no chance of power. The election wasn’t about yes or no to Brexit. If there is another election, the parties should put Brexit as point 1 on their manifesto. There ought to be a choice, Brexit or no Brexit.

Well yes. The same as millions of others who see unmitigated disaster looming. Apart from the liberals, which party represents them?

Our I hope so. We need an opposition that can offer remain plus. It is crazy that the government and the opposition are on the same side on Brexit whilst currently more than half the country is not represented.

I am not the CBI and I see the whole thing as to too risky. Anyway I am in my pub today... best day ever . Hundreds of Hamburg Fans with massive police presence ... 10:00 in the morning.. my street blocked.. now game on TV.. pub full .. Kiel winning 2:0 after 20 minutes.. not one Kiel fan in...

Yes, but if you carry it out and it crashes, the costs will be immense. In that respect I am conservative ( small c ).

Subvert is not quite correct. Ask the question again, and if the majority goes for remain, they have not subverted it as it is the majority wish. People are certainly questioning the decision though.

I haven’t said they haven’t become more conservative. I count myself as conservative in attitude. I want security and stability. Brexit is a risky venture based on emotion and misinformation. I am not for a policy encouraged by the likes of Trump and Putin. To me, the latest statement by Putin...

Yes, and he says he will go to Brussels and get a better deal. So that won’t happen. He wants to subsidise inefficient businesses and/ or nationalise them. In fact being in the EU would make state subsidies more difficult, which you and I would be for. You being old and wise and therefore...

No we don’t. We do have elections every few years though because times change and new ideas come to the fore. We need a vote to see what the so called will of the people is before accepting the leave which we are being offered. If we are happy with the the leave that has been negotiated, then...

I didn’t say any of that. I just said you have to count their intentions in addition to those who have changed their minds. In the seventies I was not ban the bomb, going to peace rallies and free love. Enjoyed shagging in the back of my estate care in Staircase Lane though. I am more...

I didn’t say that. If you just rely on who has or has not changed their minds, you are not taking into account new voters or older ones dying. You have to include their intentions, and write off those in the age group with the most deaths.

No it isn’t. People will maybe be poorer or lose their jobs and there will be disruption. Prices will rise and some things will be in short supply for a time, but the world won’t end. More red tape and more civil servants. Thanks.

2,5 years of new voters coming in and older ones dying distorts the calculation.

Very good. But, what about the percentages and analysis that they didn't miss out?

And? What about the percentages and the analysis?

The polls are clear: support for staying in the EU has rocketed | Peter Kellner

I acknowledge that and I understand it. Are leavers in general? Most on SM seem to want to crash out.

„Brexit bluster“ was the description last time this was mentioned, and Grendel should know. I think JLR should ask their employees who thinks Brexit is worth being poorer for. Then take these people at their word and sack them as opposed to sacking people who voted remain.