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  1. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    A doctor has years of training based on fact for a specific role. Politicians don't. Can a doctor force a patient to take his/her advice? In that relationship doctor can advise but patient will decide.
  2. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Has to be a part of the problem. Any organization, group, partnership should have clear exit routes whether they are attractive or unattractive. Quit your job, you don't get severance pay or break this contract, you don't get paid etc.
  3. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The mixed messages coming out of Brussels from senior figures there highlight how unclear this whole extension process is. Some even proposing a referendum has to be part of it. One surefire way to get a Brexit leave vote again is to have Brussels enforce a referendum rather than it coming from...
  4. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Politicians didn't have a clear idea of how difficult it would be to implement. Nobody heard the diverse leave or remain messages just ' leave or remain' Still a clear majority in Parliament to follow referendum just not on how to. All parties fear a backlash if the refendum isn't delivered or...
  5. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That's the issue. Who is the burden on - govt, parliament, the electorate. May's ridiculous belief that she can stir the public to put pressure on the politicians to get her way is desperate beyond belief. Even with a Parliament still prepared to take us out how are they going to find a...
  6. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Was the old saying - any country with the word "democratic" in its name obviously isn't
  7. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Always reminds me of that Yes Minister episode on why countries are in the EU. :) Can't compare a federal Europe to the US.
  8. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Your 1st sentence is the killer - "at the moment ". Exactly what many Leavers didn't like and many across Europe don't like. This wave of feeling that the ultimate goal of Brussels is a federal superstate.
  9. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The PM's conduct puts parliament's long-term vitality in peril Interesting piece on what we've been seeing. Re watched her speech and the image of her walking away perfect metaphor of her self-created isolation
  10. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No deal was not binding. No deal is still a backstop if EU don't extend. Parliament still has to deal with the No deal issue formally if May deal fails and there is no extension.
  11. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    think today's opinion poll mentioned above clearly shows who would get the blame for any mess -EU on about 7% without rechecking it.
  12. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Nice try but you're weakly arguing from a UK point of view. European view is they want it done as they need to move on. Not prepared to change their election laws to accommodate something that isn't even guaranteed. Would almost certainly be vetoed by a number of EU states. They aren't going to...
  13. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Not straight forward. Would take us past EU elections. Don't knows are dangerous as they swayed last referendum in late stages. EU would want a much clearer picture of referendum outcome. Another leave vote still doesn't make things that much clearer as Parliament still wouldn’t have a consensus...
  14. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Trend has been as young grow up and get jobs, start families they move from idealism to pragmatism in their voting choices. Buying council houses was a good example of this. Swapping the principle of housing for all to becoming home owners. Education becomes a key issue for those that have kids...
  15. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Neutral polls still have minority support for a 2nd referendum. Most popular opinion atm is just to get it over with quickly.
  16. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yep just updated the story and still can't find any relevant support for the speech.
  17. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Problem with this old vs young (or experience vs idealism) is that young people get older and the process continues in a vicious circle.
  18. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Piece on BBC news channel saying they've had researchers going through social media to find a single piece of support for the car crash speech. Nearly an hour gone and haven't found one yet.
  19. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Noticed the landslide. Given the quality and popularity of the policies any particular reason they didn't win?
  20. tisza

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Surely the lesson from 2017 is that manifestos aren't worth the paper they're written on.
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