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I don't know about conspiracies, but it's not too difficult to understand if Wasps would think having the club here bringing in some 250.000 punters would add value to ACL. Just look at the different ACL records from the year we played there and the one year we didn't. And name sponsorship is up...

This sounds like a desperate attempt to cook up an explanation that is not even very good at removing any blame from the council. They could have waited, there was no need to absolutely fire-sell the football clubs home to a totally different sports franchise from London. I am much more...

Just one thing that always makes me wonder: Every time this comes up people refer to 'CCC' in general term as if the council was united, uniformly informed and equally talking part of the decision process throughout. I don't think so. It's much more likely the work of just a couple of...

It's already too long ago for my memory, but I think the ruling was 'not unlawful state aid'. Anyway, you're right, it's all about if it was state aid or not. Isn't that what the appeal is about? I really don't fancy going through the transcripts one more time :-)

If CCC recognised the loan fell under state aid regulation then they would have an obligation to apply for approval through the EU system. But maybe they didn't believe it was state aid or they realised they didn't have the time to wait (usually takes about 6 months). As reported in the...

They did not and that was my main point as to why I believed CCC could be in trouble in the legal battle. But I don't think sisu lawyers pursued this point?

I was just about to go with Robbie Keane, but I don't think he would be especially effective in the current line up. Dion Dublin is a good shout - excellent in both boxes. Maybe John Hartson.

You are doing exactly what I think is wrong - measuring our position by selecting a favourable period instead of the whole life span. Everything in this world is dynamic. Go back 25 years and look at the top 25 most successful companies at that time. How many is still in the top? I don't think...

And there could be factor applied as to which league points is earned. Anyway - what we are doing is trying to fix the statistics rather than accepting our position. I guess that's a good thing as it shows ambition.

Yeah, we had spell that started with the appointment of Jimmy Hill. He made us big and in his reign we were innovative in almost all areas. Today - well try suggesting even the slightest innovation and you'd be in front of a firing squad before dawn.

The site has us formed in 1883 when we were 'The singers' so I'd guess that period is included. But I agree that statistics are always 'wrong' one way or another. Even if we could argue a case for some 'modifications' to the way the table is build, then it wouldn't take us up where I thought...

I know, I'm sorry. We say a league table doesn't lie over the course of a season, so it's fair to say the ranking isn't half wrong over the course of some 130 years. Interestingly that puts us exactly where we are right now.

Yes to Doncaster - Barnsley is way ahead of us (all time ranking). http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/all-time-table

An old thread I know, but the subject has been discussed quite often. What defines 'a big club'? Is it history, attendances, league position ... ? Without looking at the link below - where do you think we rank in terms of points earned in all leagues over the years? 17th? 20th? 28th...

We do have a goal scorer! (RJ).

I agree. I still believe the cut-off will be 50pts.

On paper it's mission impossible, but then again. They haven't lost away to any of the top 8 teams. This table visualize it: http://www.statto.com/football/teams/leyton-orient

It didn't quite happen that way, did it? It was Ranson - the former footballer - who persuaded sisu to invest, Ranson - the football man - who chaired the board the first three years. Interestingly a lot of posters supported the first board and many still want Hoffman/Elliot back. Of course...

[/B]Not necessarily as no debt of significance is external. The hassle of transferring the GS and players contracts could make it difficult (and we certainly don't need another administration!). So I think writing off the debts and agree a price for the shares would be the preferred process. But...

Maybe it's not for the benefit of the club, but the investors? I think I said something like 'propping up their assets'? If it doesn't hurt the club - which I can't really see it does - then I won't waste time on that. But maybe there is a benefit to the club? Converting debts to equity...