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I can understand that mentally that makes a big difference. Since the "lockdown" started all I have done is driven to work, walk the dog a few blocks and walked to the local shop. Occasionally I will walk the dog to memorial park. So almost the same effect has been achieved by our government...

Aside from the 200 m rule and the PPE (which is only because we don't have enough, the government are slowly changing position to reflect the stance of other nations - how many times has that happened during this crisis?) that's no different to here. It all comes under the "non-essential...

What's different?

I think it's all about the government strategy and is influenced by ideology. The whole approach is very hands off. Trying to get the nation to do something while not mandating much of it or being too restrictive. They're very careful with language and terminology. There seems to be a lot of...

It just screams libertarian "think tank" doesn't it? Haven't watched it at all so might end up eating my words!

My thoughts exactly. Certainly seem like two sides of the same coin.

Really strange. He's arguing over the semantics of lockdown because if he doesn't his condescending reply to my original post has no merit. The ridiculous thing is I didn't even use the term "lockdown" I asked what social distancing measures might remain in place while opening the economy back...

There is no argument. I’m just trying to start a dialogue on how restrictions are eased and you’ve read things into my post that weren’t there.

Apparently there's "no chance" measures will last that long so get your flights booked mate.

You're playing with semantics. Regardless of lockdown/social distancing definitions some measures will have to be kept in place to keep Ro at or below one. Yes, test and trace will help but we're never going to do that as effectively as China so some restrictions are likely to remain in place...

Yeah the lack of clear cut guidance is remarkable. I wonder how much the drop in transmission rate is down the voluntary stuff? People keep asking me why I am still going to work. As you say though nothing to say most people can't. Government might have made a rod for their own back here as at...

I made no suggestion the restrictions remain until there is a vaccine or that lockdown would continue for 18 months. I said social distancing might last all year (which is what has been mentioned) and questioned what that looks like while trying to get the economy going.

Yet McDonalds drive through closed.

Well yes but what does that look like? What is lifted or relaxed and what is kept in place to keep Ro at or below 1?

I don't think they are testing but many homes are seeing many more deaths than normal.

Which bit and what's your alternative?

Grendel must have a bad hangover. He's usually busy moving last nights goalposts or deflecting by now.

Now there is open talk of social distancing lasting all year and beyond it's going to be interesting to see what that actually means in practice while trying to get more of the economy going and how that will affect business decisions. If you run a restuarent you might be hoping you can open for...

I can't see any variations are going to be significant enough to explain the difference in death/population between Sweden and similar nations.

As I said they've had to implement fewer measures than some countries but may have to implement more in future to save their healthcare system getting overloaded. I'm not criticising them as such, just acknowledging that they have high death/population compared to the Scandinavian countries.