Robins post match/mcallum sale (1 Viewer)

I am not ready for PSB Group’s hysteria and how if we kept him he’d be worth £50m next season and the Ballon d’Or winner

I'm expecting emile heskey to sign tomorrow

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

SlowerThanPlatt said:

I am not ready for PSB Group’s hysteria and how if we kept him he’d be worth £50m next season and the Ballon d’Or winner

Click to expand...

A question. When we talk about Martin Warren, are we referring to the artist formerly known as coventrycityfan on gmk, the guy that posted pictures of the Ricoh on opening day and managed to get blurry shots of the toilet doors, and the guy who took tried to organise a mass leaflet drop about protests, only for Otis to be the only one who showed up?

usskyblue said:

wtf are you on about?

Robins has picked McCallum over Mason consistently and he obviously has no problems playing loanees in front of developing players. They aren’t opinions, they are facts... whether you agree with them or not.

Click to expand...

wtf are you on about m8?

They are facts but I’m not sure they prove what you think they do. He’s picked McCallum so far, yes. Was that partly to facilitate this move? We will never know, but you can’t categorically say he’s picked him because he’s the absolute best player every week.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but it is interesting how McCallum has played constantly whilst there were lots of simultaneous stories in the press / social media about Liverpool and PSG(!) etc looking at him.

Most saleable (and expendable given the superb replacement we already have) asset at the club. Gets played every week (when we desperately need money from player sales) whilst appearing in the press on a regular basis as interesting other clubs. And then gets sold (tbc)...

There are reasons why MR might have picked him every week other than simply McCallum > Mason.

Regarding loan vs development players, obviously there is space for both to get games at appropriate times, and over a season with cup games and injuries you need more than one player for each position, I guess what I don’t particularly want to see is a loaned back McCallum playing the same proportion of games he has so far at the expense of Mason, when we’ve got our own player who is bloody good and just needs to have play league football (so that he’s as good as possible next season when / if he’s main man).

BornSlippySkyBlue said:

you can’t categorically say he’s picked him because he’s the absolute best player every week.

Click to expand...

Jesus H Christ

Ring Of Steel said:

Please outline these different criteria for selecting a team, aside from selecting based on which selection is most able to win the game. Best haircut perhaps? How about fanciest toiletries bag. Maybe whoever wins the card school on the bus gets the coveted number 3 shirt.

Click to expand...

Most smartarse comment gets the captain’s armband?

I’m saying that there is a bigger picture, this includes but is not limited to such things as form, attitude, ability, development needs, saleability and no, not their fucking haircut.

I’m probably not explaining myself very well because I can’t believe it’s that controversial an opinion that I seem to be fighting on multiple fronts.

I think Mason should get priority in the scenario that McCallum comes back on loan (unless there’s a specific aspect of that game that particularly calls for McCallum’s specific abilities). I don’t think that McCallum should be stuck on the bench full time, I just think Mason should now take priority from a development perspective. That is all.

usskyblue said:

Jesus H Christ

Click to expand...

Nice edit m8

usskyblue said:

Jesus H Christ

Click to expand...

From watching them both play live this season how much better would you say McCallum is than Mason?

BornSlippySkyBlue said:

wtf are you on about m8?

They are facts but I’m not sure they prove what you think they do. He’s picked McCallum so far, yes. Was that partly to facilitate this move? We will never know, but you can’t categorically say he’s picked him because he’s the absolute best player every week.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but it is interesting how McCallum has played constantly whilst there were lots of simultaneous stories in the press / social media about Liverpool and PSG(!) etc looking at him.

Most saleable (and expendable given the superb replacement we already have) asset at the club. Gets played every week (when we desperately need money from player sales) whilst appearing in the press on a regular basis as interesting other clubs. And then gets sold (tbc)...

There are reasons why MR might have picked him every week other than simply McCallum > Mason.

Regarding loan vs development players, obviously there is space for both to get games at appropriate times, and over a season with cup games and injuries you need more than one player for each position, I guess what I don’t particularly want to see is a loaned back McCallum playing the same proportion of games he has so far at the expense of Mason, when we’ve got our own player who is bloody good and just needs to have play league football (so that he’s as good as possible next season when / if he’s main man).

Click to expand...

Did robins play McAllum to facilitate this move? That would be no, he played him in order to have his strongest team. Are you saying he plays Shipley in order to try and sell him as well? Ridiculous assertion. I can say that he played him because he wanted the strongest team, yes I can say that. Why is it ‘interesting’ that he played while there was interest in him? Are you saying Robins should have dropped him?? Top to bottom craziness. As for the rest of it, I cannot get to grips with why you would not want to play your best team just because we don’t own them- or are you suggesting we drop Walsh as well, we don’t own him either?

you are massively overcomplicating and overthinking something that is really simple.

he played McAllum as he sees him as our best left back.
He proved that he is our best left back and attracted interest.
If he comes back on loan then he’ll still be our best left back and he’ll play again.

We are trying to go up, not play mind games & hatch secret plots to sell players. Bonkers stuff.

BornSlippySkyBlue said:

From watching them both play live this season how much better would you say McCallum is than Mason?

Click to expand...

What the f*ck has that got to do with it? Is he better or isn’t he?

ok, just came in from pub quiz, i lost, but i digress has he gone or not ?

BornSlippySkyBlue said:

Most smartarse comment gets the captain’s armband?

I’m saying that there is a bigger picture, this includes but is not limited to such things as form, attitude, ability, development needs, saleability and no, not their fucking haircut.

I’m probably not explaining myself very well because I can’t believe it’s that controversial an opinion that I seem to be fighting on multiple fronts.

I think Mason should get priority in the scenario that McCallum comes back on loan (unless there’s a specific aspect of that game that particularly calls for McCallum’s specific abilities). I don’t think that McCallum should be stuck on the bench full time, I just think Mason should now take priority from a development perspective. That is all.

Click to expand...

We agree on one thing, you are not explaining yourself well at all. You are saying that there was a masterplan all along at selling McAllum, as If the same rules do not apply to any player on earth- play well you’ll get offers. Why is McAllum a special case?

you focus on ‘developing players’ and getting all loved up bringing players through if you like, I’m perfectly happy with Robins selecting the best team possible and being as ruthless as is necessary in order to try and secure promotion.

Ring Of Steel said:

What the f*ck has that got to do with it? Is he better or isn’t he?

Click to expand...

I asked first. Anyway, as fun as this I’m done being splayed for thinking Mason should play. Goodnight.

BornSlippySkyBlue said:

From watching them both play live this season how much better would you say McCallum is than Mason?

Click to expand...

This is getting strange.

What difference does it matter how many times I’ve seen Mason and McCallum play live ?

It matters to Mark Robins. It’s his job to play the best team to achieve the best results. And Mason hasn’t had a sniff because Mark Robins thinks McCallum is better.

Is there a reason you’ve left your fucking senses?

derbyskyblue said:

ok, just came in from pub quiz, i lost, but i digress has he gone or not ?

Click to expand...

Not confirmed officially.....yet.

vow said:

Not confirmed officially.....yet.

Click to expand...

Is it really that much of a big deal? From what I’ve seen in here Mason is a world beater and McAllum was only playing as part of an intricate web of interconnected plots to get his value up so we could sell him, he shouldn’t be in the team if he’s loaned back, and we apparently get £3m anyway- sounds like no biggie to me

better days said:

I don't know all the details but I think it's fairly certain that Mcallum is going to Norwich and that the club has made sure we drove a hard bargain
Again, not sure of the details but if Sam is staying here on loan I'd see this as positive evidence that we've made the best of a difficult situation
Some have said that the loan back of Maddison didn't work at as well as hoped
But Dele Alli's loan back after his sale to Spurs worked brilliantly as MK got the money while Alli stayed to help them get promoted to the Championship before he left

Click to expand...

But Dele Alli was miles ahead of his replacement, in this case Mcallum is not, Mason is a very good replacement and we own him.
Any improvement he may make by playing we benefit from next season rather that Mcallum improving for Norwich etc....
Once he is gone we have to look after our own and that will then be Mason.

If Mason was crap then i would say play Mcallum all day but he is not, people were saying Player of the season till his injury and Mcallum took his place.

pipkin73 said:

But Dele Alli was miles ahead of his replacement, in this case Mcallum is not, Mason is a very good replacement and we own him.
Any improvement he may make by playing we benefit from next season rather that Mcallum improving for Norwich etc....
Once he is gone we have to look after our own and that will then be Mason.

If Mason was crap then i would say play Mcallum all day but he is not, people were saying Player of the season till his injury and Mcallum took his place.

Click to expand...

why does it matter about Norwich benefiting next season if McAllum plays brilliantly and we get promoted? Do you have a grudge against Norwich City or something?

Here’s $5

Someone want to start a Mason GoFundMe ?

ffs

BornSlippySkyBlue said:

wtf are you on about m8?

They are facts but I’m not sure they prove what you think they do. He’s picked McCallum so far, yes. Was that partly to facilitate this move? We will never know, but you can’t categorically say he’s picked him because he’s the absolute best player every week.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but it is interesting how McCallum has played constantly whilst there were lots of simultaneous stories in the press / social media about Liverpool and PSG(!) etc looking at him.

Most saleable (and expendable given the superb replacement we already have) asset at the club. Gets played every week (when we desperately need money from player sales) whilst appearing in the press on a regular basis as interesting other clubs. And then gets sold (tbc)...

There are reasons why MR might have picked him every week other than simply McCallum > Mason.

Regarding loan vs development players, obviously there is space for both to get games at appropriate times, and over a season with cup games and injuries you need more than one player for each position, I guess what I don’t particularly want to see is a loaned back McCallum playing the same proportion of games he has so far at the expense of Mason, when we’ve got our own player who is bloody good and just needs to have play league football (so that he’s as good as possible next season when / if he’s main man).

Click to expand...

Ring Of Steel said:

why does it matter about Norwich benefiting next season if McAllum plays brilliantly and we get promoted? Do you have a grudge against Norwich City or something?

Click to expand...

No i see them as two very good players for our level,
if Mason is good enough to play then he should as our club will benefit from his game time, but (if Macallum is needed for a certain game then he should play if we have loaned him back). Would just prefer to play a future cov player if poss if it does not weaken us rather than a loan player. Nothing against Macallum but once he has gone we need our own players to step up (if only to be the next one sold next season). If we get promoted do you want Macallum with experiance for Norwich or Mason for us? I can't really say that Masons performances so far this season would stop us getting promoted.

Ring Of Steel said:

why does it matter about Norwich benefiting next season if McAllum plays brilliantly and we get promoted? Do you have a grudge against Norwich City or something?

Click to expand...

I stuck up for you a day or two ago as people never read your messages and bitched at you. You have just done the same, read the whole Dele Alli debate, that is what my reply was based on.

usskyblue said:

You’re over complicating things. Robins picks the best team to get the best possible result. Mason didn’t make the team...get over it.

And if McCallum is sold and he comes back on loan, it doesn’t change Robins’ perception of the player. If he thinks McCallum is better, he will pick him. Why is that so fucking hard to process ?

Click to expand...

Because once the season is over we hope to be promoted and we need our number 1 LB to have played games and be developing from League One to Championship level.
If McCallum plays all the games (they are about the same (ish) level now) then Mason will be a season behind in his development.
Like i said, if he comes back great, but only in games where Mason can't play as seen as a weaker player or injured, the rest of the time Mason as when (if) we go up we need him up to standard as much as poss not a Norwich player who is not much better just younger and got potential thus the bid.

pipkin73 said:

I stuck up for you a day or two ago as people never read your messages and bitched at you. You have just done the same, read the whole Dele Alli debate, that is what my reply was based on.

Click to expand...

I don’t know what’s going on with this particular subject but people are way over complicating things.

It makes perfect sense that Robins would pick the best team to get the best possible result. Mason didn’t make the team and no matter what everyone’s opinion is, they have to get over it. If McCallum is sold and comes back on loan, why would it change Robins’ perception of the player? If he thinks McCallum is better, he will pick him. Any reason beyond this is nothing short of a bizarre conspiracy theory. This isn’t an agenda against Mason, this is the cold hard reality of sport as a business. A manager will play what he thinks is the strongest team on any given day.

There seems to be a swell of affection for Mason based on some good performances earlier in the season but to speculate that Robins (or the club) would risk losing games to field a player solely to put him on the market, and not because he was the best player at that position is farcical.

usskyblue said:

I don’t know what’s going on with this particular subject but people are way over complicating things.

It makes perfect sense that Robins would pick the best team to get the best possible result. Mason didn’t make the team and no matter what everyone’s opinion is, they have to get over it. If McCallum is sold and comes back on loan, why would it change Robins’ perception of the player? If he thinks McCallum is better, he will pick him. Any reason beyond this is nothing short of a bizarre conspiracy theory. This isn’t an agenda against Mason, this is the cold hard reality of sport as a business. A manager will play what he thinks is the strongest team on any given day.

There seems to be a swell of affection for Mason based on some good performances earlier in the season but to speculate that Robins (or the club) would risk losing games to field a player solely to put him on the market, and not because he was the best player at that position is farcical.

Click to expand...

There seems to be a swell of affection for Mason based on some good performances earlier in the season but to speculate that Robins (or the club) would risk losing games to field a player solely to put him on the market, and not because he was the best player at that position is farcical.

No one is saying that, what we are saying is that the 2 players are almost as good as each other. That being the case don't you think Mason should play so he has more experience for the Championship with US, rather than Sam McCallum when he will be with Norwich (for example) against us.
Once we have the money for him, we need to develop the next player to be sold.

pipkin73 said:

Because once the season is over we hope to be promoted and we need our number 1 LB to have played games and be developing from League One to Championship level.
If McCallum plays all the games (they are about the same (ish) level now) then Mason will be a season behind in his development.
Like i said, if he comes back great, but only in games where Mason can't play as seen as a weaker player or injured, the rest of the time Mason as when (if) we go up we need him up to standard as much as poss not a Norwich player who is not much better just younger and got potential thus the bid.

Click to expand...

When the season is over we will have multiple ‘in's and outs’. We are embroiled in a scramble for promotion, we have to play the strongest team available now...given changes will happen down the road, why would we be thinking about next season while we need to negotiate our next game?

usskyblue said:

When the season is over we will have multiple ‘in's and outs’. We are embroiled in a scramble for promotion, we have to play the strongest team available now...given changes will happen down the road, why would we be thinking about next season while we need to negotiate our next game?

Click to expand...

Because if we go up or not we won't have a lot of money to spend, as a result we have to be thinking NOW about next season not next season. Mason is good enough to go up with us so we need him to get game time. easy really.

Enough is enough, i know nothing about twatter and i only just signed up to bitch at their CEO, his post has been withdrawn or i'm blocked. Anyway, i wanted to give himn crap but don't know how. On the plus side i must have been on here before as i have 10 followers lol

pipkin73 said:

Because if we go up or not we won't have a lot of money to spend, as a result we have to be thinking NOW about next season not next season. Mason is good enough to go up with us so we need him to get game time. easy really.

Click to expand...

Respectfully disagree. Football is about constant change. We have to deal in the now and adjust to the changes as they come.

I'm not being funny but....

Has McCallum actually gone yet? We are talking as if he has been sold but until it actually happens he's still a CCFC player.

Sent from my I3113 using Tapatalk

pipkin73 said:

There seems to be a swell of affection for Mason based on some good performances earlier in the season but to speculate that Robins (or the club) would risk losing games to field a player solely to put him on the market, and not because he was the best player at that position is farcical.

No one is saying that, what we are saying is that the 2 players are almost as good as each other. That being the case don't you think Mason should play so he has more experience for the Championship with US, rather than Sam McCallum when he will be with Norwich (for example) against us.
Once we have the money for him, we need to develop the next player to be sold.

Click to expand...

Its called the jack grimmer effect. Idolised and from there refusal to accept anyone is better.

JCH to Charlton today £1m

Ring Of Steel said:

A question. When we talk about Martin Warren, are we referring to the artist formerly known as coventrycityfan on gmk, the guy that posted pictures of the Ricoh on opening day and managed to get blurry shots of the toilet doors, and the guy who took tried to organise a mass leaflet drop about protests, only for Otis to be the only one who showed up?

Click to expand...

That's the one...

Deity said:

JCH to Charlton today £1m

Click to expand...

A win win for us tomorrow. Charlton will loan him back for the season, but he’ll be benched in favour of a Bristol reserve who needs development.

We're very short on time but I do hope Robins manages to do something with the money before the end of the day. Striker with a bit of an x factor hopefully.