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I have always assumed the manager has the ultimate say over transfers in and out but ive seen some suggest thats not how clubs generally operate which if true makes no sense to me at all .

Our recruitment has been catastrophic. Not one new signing was significantly better than what we already had. In 4 years Yirenka Amenda Tchoumna Cherif may well be upgrades on what we already had but thats not much fucking good to us now is it. Whoever signed off on these transfers needs sacking as not one player was Premier League ready. The players who came from PL clubs were deemed not good enough and they were at middle of the table clubs, not top clubs, im referring to Awoini Pinnock (in what world is he now any better than Kitching) Onyeka and Rushworth. 26 million for Rushworth was criminal.

The other absolutely mental thing is the players were brought in with a view to the system being 4-2-3-1 but then we go to a back 5 v Brighton and stick a half fit Central attacking midfielder in Rudoni on the right hand side when we have two wingers sat on the bench one of whom cost 20m.

If people cannot see the absolute dire position the club is in they really are too starstruck by Kings sales pitches and Lampards celebrity status. If the idea was to make a quick profit on the new signings ,i.e the Cov Way, then King needs to give his quiff a wobble as if we beat Derbys record, which looks likely even at this early stage, none of the new signings will increase in value. This season has the makings of a total disaster and i can see us ending up like Huddersfield and Blackpool from a few years back who had a brief stint in the PL but now are languishing in L1. Luton another example.
 
I have always assumed the manager has the ultimate say over transfers in and out but ive seen some suggest thats not how clubs generally operate which if true makes no sense to me at all .

Our recruitment has been catastrophic. Not one new signing was significantly better than what we already had. In 4 years Yirenka Amenda Tchoumna Cherif may well be upgrades on what we already had but thats not much fucking good to us now is it. Whoever signed off on these transfers needs sacking as not one player was Premier League ready. The players who came from PL clubs were deemed not good enough and they were at middle of the table clubs, not top clubs, im referring to Awoini Pinnock (in what world is he now any better than Kitching) Onyeka and Rushworth. 26 million for Rushworth was criminal.

The other absolutely mental thing is the players were brought in with a view to the system being 4-2-3-1 but then we go to a back 5 v Brighton and stick a half fit Central attacking midfielder in Rudoni on the right hand side when we have two wingers sat on the bench one of whom cost 20m.

If people cannot see the absolute dire position the club is in they really are too starstruck by Kings sales pitches and Lampards celebrity status. If the idea was to make a quick profit on the new signings ,i.e the Cov Way, then King needs to give his quiff a wobble as if we beat Derbys record, which looks likely even at this early stage, none of the new signings will increase in value. This season has the makings of a total disaster and i can see us ending up like Huddersfield and Blackpool from a few years back who had a brief stint in the PL but now are languishing in L1. Luton another example.
There’s a thread for this from last season. After 4 games as well.

Are you a City supporter?
 
I have always assumed the manager has the ultimate say over transfers in and out but ive seen some suggest thats not how clubs generally operate which if true makes no sense to me at all .

Our recruitment has been catastrophic. Not one new signing was significantly better than what we already had. In 4 years Yirenka Amenda Tchoumna Cherif may well be upgrades on what we already had but thats not much fucking good to us now is it. Whoever signed off on these transfers needs sacking as not one player was Premier League ready. The players who came from PL clubs were deemed not good enough and they were at middle of the table clubs, not top clubs, im referring to Awoini Pinnock (in what world is he now any better than Kitching) Onyeka and Rushworth. 26 million for Rushworth was criminal.

The other absolutely mental thing is the players were brought in with a view to the system being 4-2-3-1 but then we go to a back 5 v Brighton and stick a half fit Central attacking midfielder in Rudoni on the right hand side when we have two wingers sat on the bench one of whom cost 20m.

If people cannot see the absolute dire position the club is in they really are too starstruck by Kings sales pitches and Lampards celebrity status. If the idea was to make a quick profit on the new signings ,i.e the Cov Way, then King needs to give his quiff a wobble as if we beat Derbys record, which looks likely even at this early stage, none of the new signings will increase in value. This season has the makings of a total disaster and i can see us ending up like Huddersfield and Blackpool from a few years back who had a brief stint in the PL but now are languishing in L1. Luton another example.
Snowy, my fair-weathered snowflake friend. Winter isn’t here yet, we are not ready for your icey blast. We are four games in and have not seen enough of the players you have mentioned.
 
Pointless thread. The new players barely featured yesterday.
What did you expect from the recruitment? Established PL.players or players from the top tier of other leagues ? Hard to get those types of players if you are not an established PL like Brighton , Brentford for example. With regards to Luton, Huddersfield, Blackpool, we are a lot bigger club than those 3.
 
What did you expect from the recruitment? Established PL.players or players from the top tier of other leagues ? Hard to get those types of players if you are not an established PL like Brighton , Brentford for example. With regards to Luton, Huddersfield, Blackpool, we are a lot bigger club than those 3.

That for some reason or another Frank hasn't had several of them feature fully. Give the newcomers a chance before writing them off.
 
Doug King is 100% Owner and sole Director so he is responsible for everything, including recruitment.

I think that's a rather simplified take, to be honest.

Doug King, by his own admission, is not very knowledgeable about football. I suspect He puts his faith in Dean Austin where scouting and transfers are concerned. Maybe the financials are down to Doug King, but he wouldn't be negotiating for those players if he hadn't had assurances from Dean Austin that they were the right players for our model.

I suspect Frank Lampard offers a few bands of his own, and is consulted about potential targets and if he thinks they can work within his preferred systems, but by and large it's going to be down to Dean Austin.
 
I have always assumed the manager has the ultimate say over transfers in and out but ive seen some suggest thats not how clubs generally operate which if true makes no sense to me at all .

Our recruitment has been catastrophic. Not one new signing was significantly better than what we already had. In 4 years Yirenka Amenda Tchoumna Cherif may well be upgrades on what we already had but thats not much fucking good to us now is it. Whoever signed off on these transfers needs sacking as not one player was Premier League ready. The players who came from PL clubs were deemed not good enough and they were at middle of the table clubs, not top clubs, im referring to Awoini Pinnock (in what world is he now any better than Kitching) Onyeka and Rushworth. 26 million for Rushworth was criminal.

The other absolutely mental thing is the players were brought in with a view to the system being 4-2-3-1 but then we go to a back 5 v Brighton and stick a half fit Central attacking midfielder in Rudoni on the right hand side when we have two wingers sat on the bench one of whom cost 20m.

If people cannot see the absolute dire position the club is in they really are too starstruck by Kings sales pitches and Lampards celebrity status. If the idea was to make a quick profit on the new signings ,i.e the Cov Way, then King needs to give his quiff a wobble as if we beat Derbys record, which looks likely even at this early stage, none of the new signings will increase in value. This season has the makings of a total disaster and i can see us ending up like Huddersfield and Blackpool from a few years back who had a brief stint in the PL but now are languishing in L1. Luton another example.

CWR reported the row on the balcony between Doug King and Dean Austin (which I also witnessed) yesterday and this evening, mentioning pointed fingers. It was about 45 mins in for those with BBC Sounds
 
Austin is not head of recruitment

It’s the ex AfCwimbledon guy that got promoted over summer
 
Austin is Director of Football now is it Jamie Johnson who is head of recruitment?
 
Can’t blame recruitment when we keep starting with 7/8 from last season… got to start playing them else what was the point in signing them… 433
Rushworth
Mve
Pinnock
Amenda
Mfuni
Onyeka
Yirenki
Rudoni
Tchaona
Cherif/ simms until wright/awoniyi are available
Gboho
 
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Lampard has to sign off on players. Him just taking what someone dictates to him would be madness.
 
Lampard isn’t the manager he’s the head coach.

He will have a say in transfers, I suspect we pursued Rushworth so vigorously because he told Doug he’s the one he wanted, but Austin recommends the players and King makes the final decision.
 
Can’t blame recruitment when we keep starting with 7/8 from last season… got to start playing them else what was the point in signing them… 433
Rushworth
Mve
Pinnock
Amenda
Mfuni
Onyeka
Yirenki
Rudoni
Tchaona
Cherif/ simms until wright/awoniyi are available
Gboho

Well this is it… we can’t judge the new players really because they’re not being picked.

What we can say is playing the vast majority of our champ players isn’t working.
 
Please let this be true --->
Lampard has to sign off on players. Him just taking what someone dictates to him would be madness.
That’s not how modern football works.

The theory is that if you allow managers to lead recruitment then they pick players for their specific needs rather than a long term vision.

Then when a manager changes he wants a whole new squad because the current lot aren’t his style.

We didn’t recruit heavily under Lampard until this summer because King was convinced we had a “top 6 deck”.
 
In fairness, you can't dismiss questions on the recruitment just because the players aren't playing. The fact that they are not, because they are unfit or unfavoured, is not a great advertisement as it stands.

It's still too early either way. For me, the disjointed outgoings, and the fact we've ditched the preferred system after two games, makes me question the logic. We have still signed some good players, but I suspect we were caught napping in champagne upon promotion.

It's going to be a 'can we be better than the sum of our parts' if we want to stay up. That requires some cohesion and graft, as well as a seige mentality. We haven't seen that yet.
 

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