Sky Blue Pete
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My cunts are not starred at the moment
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fatso
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Go read your history, Muslims and the Jews are sworne enemies. And fyi i didn't say that Jews were the problem, I said that Jews ruled the world which they do, go and educate yourself!
The problem with talking about this on a football forum is that people have very little understanding of the matter
Ccfcisparks
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Thank goodness you can educate me
Ian1779
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Yet somehow you’ve weaponised it to bang on about Muslims taking over the UK.
If you’re looking for a c**t just glance in the mirror.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You aren’t born hating anyone, it has to be instilled in you as you grow up. To be driven to mass murder of complete strangers based on them having different beliefs…I won’t ever understand it. People with my views on religion would be executed in some of these countries, others I know would be executed for their sexuality.
Sadly we in the West have allied ourselves with the ‘ISIS that made it’ in Saudi Arabia who export this ideology all over the planet, including support for 9/11, and simultaneously with Benjamin Netanyahu’s genocidal regime in Israel. Yet criticism of either of these stances never mind both is rare from certain people because alliances with both are good for business.
Sadly we in the West have allied ourselves with the ‘ISIS that made it’ in Saudi Arabia who export this ideology all over the planet, including support for 9/11, and simultaneously with Benjamin Netanyahu’s genocidal regime in Israel. Yet criticism of either of these stances never mind both is rare from certain people because alliances with both are good for business.
Ian1779
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Respectfully you are talking out of your arse. I am more than adequately educated, I simply don’t subscribe to the unsubstantiated sensationalist bullshit you do.
If you were that knowledgeable you’d know
that religious apathy fundamentally dominates the UK. The idea that any religion is going to ‘take over’ is absolutely absurd.
Now if you want to have a debate on how shit all religions are, and how they were essentially invented as a method of control then I’m all ears. Extremism is driven by sick
fuckers interpreting and twisting a doctrine for their own ends.
fatso
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The history of religion has nothing to do with the power struggle going on in the UK today.
While I agree that organised religion is more to do with power, money and control than anything to do with love, tolerance and respect for each other, the fact remains that the power struggle is a political one rapped up in a religion cloak, because as a religion the evil politics remains protected by UK law as a "religion"
trust me Islam is more a death culture than a religion.
People of your outlook are called "gharbi" in Coventry's Mosque's, trust me, its not a nice thing to be called. You are considered blind and without knowledge as to the intentions of Islam.
No offence, but If you do one thing, please educate yourself to the threat.
fatso
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I agree with most of this, especially the part with not being born to hate, ive said as much about the troubles in Northern island, if you are born to a Catholic family you are likely to grow up and have IRA sympathy, and if you are born protestant your more likely to be a supporter of the UK. Nurture will influence you inevitably.
As for 9/11 that had very little to do with Islamist terrorists, that was one atrocity they more than likely had no idea about. It was most probably a US/Israeli plan to bring about regime change in the middle east.
And look how that's turned out.
Fucking hell
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Just a few examples of passages in the bible that explicitly call for the death of followers of other gods, homosexuals and women.
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 re: followers of other Gods
"that prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God"
Leviticus 24:16
whoever utters the name of the LORD in a curse shall be put to death. The whole community shall stone that person; alien and native-born alike must be put to death for uttering the LORD's name in a curse
Deuteronomy 17:2-7
2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.
Leviticus 20:10
"Now regarding a man who commits adultery with another man's wife: The one who commits adultery with the wife of his fellow man should be put to death without fail, the adulterer and the adulteress"
Deuteronomy 22:22-24 calling for a woman who has been raped to be executed
"If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, "
Ezekiel 9:5-7
As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.7 Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death
Numbers 31 re: the Midianites who follow another God
"They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man."
Luke 19:27
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.
fatso
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Most of what you've quoted is from the "old testament" or the Jewish Torah.
Christianity is centered around the new testament. Although homosexuality is still frowned upon in the new testament, Christians dont still kill homosexuals in 2025
Muslims however do seek out homosexuals in the middle east and theres even a specific way to kill them. Its thought that missing Muslims in the uk may have disappeared because of their sexuality.
Aids has been quoted in Mosques as being Allah's judgement on homosexuals
Ccfcisparks
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No it isnt Christianity is based around the old testament and new testament.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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You said "the same cannot be said of the bible". The old testament is part of the bible.
Oh, and as Islm is an Abrahamic religion much of its teachings will have been dervied from older Jewish and Christian writings.
fatso
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Mate, Christ wasn't in the old testament.
The old testament is in our bible as its in all Abrahamic religions, but Christ came along 3 thousand years after the old testament was written.
Christianity is based on the teachings of christ and the writings of the apostles.
Ccfcisparks
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There are literally prophecies in the old testament about Christ coming.
Ccfcisparks
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Think you’ve been reading fake news me old mucka. Australian news saying he’s a muslim named Ahmed
fatso
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If you look at the history of Islam its very different from Judaism and Christianity.
Islam is about dominance by force, Judaism and Christianity arnt.
The Muslims hold Muhammad as their messiah, Christians hold jesus as theirs (obviously) the Jews are still waiting for their messiah, although interestingly Muhammed tried to convince the Jews that he was their messiah, but they refused to believe him, so he went to Islam instead, and convinced them, (with the backing of the Vatican who were anti-jewish at that time) hence the hatred between Jews and Muslims that goes on to this day
fatso
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No
There were prophecies of A messiah comming.
Who is to say that the messiah mentioned was jesus???
Thats the crux of the debate between the religions today.
Muslims say the messiah was Muhammad
Christians say it was Jesus
The Jews say he is still to come.
If you want to learn more about the birth of Christianity you need to read about the "council of Nicea" in 325 AD
But trust me, very few people are even aware of it, and its a real eye opener for religious historians.
In brief, in 325AD the roman empire was collapsing and there was mass religious unrest, so emperor Constantine got all the religious leaders together at Nicea and they basically voted in a new religion, called Christianity, based on the teachings of Christ. The Virgin birth, and Jesus's divine origins were voted in.
And the head of the church was to be based in Rome, where it remains to this day.
After this event the crusades went across the known world spreading the new religion, and all previous records of any other religions were destroyed, all know written records were burnt, any known scribes were murdered.
This period of time was called the "dark ages" as no records survived to shed light on the previous times.
Any surviving documents are held in secret in the Vatican libraries.
Thats why evidence like the dead sea scrolls and the Nag Hammadi scrolls are so important to scholers today.
The crusaders murdered millions of people in the quest to spread the new religion, but they were finally stopped at Jerusalem by Saladin and his armies, that's why Christianity never made it to the middle east, and that's why, to this day the same war still goes on.
Christianity has settled for controll of the lands it already has, which are rich and plentiful, Islam is still prepared to wage the war and is doing so by infiltrating the west with a plan to out breed Christians and becoming the dominant force.
Now that's a very quick summery of 1700 years of religious history, I could ramble on, but I think you'd all be bored shitless if you arnt already.
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hill83
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To be fair. And I’ve avoided this sort of thread for a while. People no scoping innocent civilians celebrating on a beach are creating the divisions quicker than anyone else.
Fairly sure Netenyahu chimed in also possibly claiming he was Jewish then backtracked,as for others,begat,begat,begatebegat.
Me I'll support humanity, certainly won't be trump's version of it, and by proxy that country close to the med.
There is enough crap in these threads without your conspiracy theorist bullshit.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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So the hijackers being members of al Qaeda and repeating ‘Allahu Akbar’ as they crashed the planes was just a front?
Ian1779
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Just a point of order here.
Muslims do not hold Muhammad as their Messiah - to do so would be heresy as Islam believes that God (Allah) is beyond all others and no one compares. Muhammad is the most revered of all prophets in Islam, of which Jesus was also one, along with other key people that appear in the Old and New Testament.
rondog1973
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The IDF have been doing that for years
Saddlebrains
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Religion is the greatest lie ever told. People killing people over whos imaginary friend is better than the others is a damning indictment on the human race and always has been
Sick Boy
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Wow.
mmttww
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and there's books about short people that have to get a ring and throw it in a big mountain volcano place.
rondog1973
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Dunno why you're shocked, this is pretty standard stuff from this poster
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s just madness speaking as a man of faith
Saddlebrains
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I have no problem with anyone who is devout to their religion, I find it admirable in a way. Its those that use religion as an excuse to murder i will never comprehend
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep
I’ve long held that for anyone to take another’s life deliberately have something wrong in their head
I know that gives an excuse and it’s probably my way of making sense of it
Sky Blue Pete
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Having read a few bits I do think we need to challenge outright hate far far better
The freedom of speech argument can do one as can the laws on protest
It’s a really tricky balance but you need to deal with the low level shit to avoid it becoming the norm. I don’t know what that means in practice. Probably a kick in for whichever government first bans a protest for taking one side or the other
It’s all such a fuckin mess
Shooting a 10 year old for your prophet ffs
The freedom of speech argument can do one as can the laws on protest
It’s a really tricky balance but you need to deal with the low level shit to avoid it becoming the norm. I don’t know what that means in practice. Probably a kick in for whichever government first bans a protest for taking one side or the other
It’s all such a fuckin mess
Shooting a 10 year old for your prophet ffs