Bondi Beach Sydney incident (16 Viewers)

[Briles]

The actions of someone trying to stop them is heart-warming, but is largely irrelevant when we are talking about what has happened here, and that so many people have been killed. There is a bigger picture really. There are also other people who tried to stop them, and some of which lost their lives, and they haven't had a mention because they aren't Muslim.

Hero couple tried to stop gunman before being killed in Bondi attack

Boris Gurman, 69, "charged straight towards the danger" and grabbed one of the attacker's guns, a witness says.

www.bbc.com

I know you are often trolling with your posts, but most of the replies since I have posted have largely carried on the pattern of trying to jump to the defence of a religion which is quite backwards and doesn't really fit into a modern and progressive society. I understand the notion that we should not smear everyone, and that is fair enough, but we have just seen multiple killed in a terrorist attack, by an ideology which is hugely overrepresented in these kind of attacks. Muslims make up barely over 3% of the population in Australia, but are responsible for 75% of terrorist attacks, or more. The focus on playing that down is just disappointing really. We go round the houses because it has become taboo.

Great post that

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I think people are happy to have a discussion on Islam. Not so much 'all Muslims want to kill us', or 'Muslims are trying to take over the world'. And I think the same would apply to any religion.

The arguments being present aren't genuine discussion points in any case. Someone posted a list of terrorist attacks implying that all terrorist attacks are undertaken by Muslims. That's not even the case in this country let alone worldwide. People don't want debate, they want to shout their point of view and label anyone who doesn't agree terrorist sympathisers.

According to the government:

"By far the biggest terrorist threat comes from Islamist terrorism. It accounts for 67% of attacks since 2018, and about three quarters of MI5’s caseload."

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-07-24/debates/03C258B1-5D37-4875-A575-204A0BFE9766/ContestUKStrategyForCounteringTerrorism2023

I am not sure what else to tell you at this point. The population of Muslims in the UK is between 5-10% (probably closer to the latter). That is a massive overrepresentation, and clearly a huge problem.

 

[Briles]

According to the government:

"By far the biggest terrorist threat comes from Islamist terrorism. It accounts for 67% of attacks since 2018, and about three quarters of MI5’s caseload."

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-07-24/debates/03C258B1-5D37-4875-A575-204A0BFE9766/ContestUKStrategyForCounteringTerrorism2023

I am not sure what else to tell you at this point. The population of Muslims in the UK is between 5-10% (probably closer to the latter). That is a massive overrepresentation, and clearly a huge problem.

There are people on this forum who I genuinley believe would stick up for sex offenders on the basis they drive slower past schools. "But but but"

 

[Ccfcisparks]

There are people on this forum who I genuinley believe would stick up for sex offenders on the basis they drive slower past schools. "But but but"

bit odd

 

[wingy]

There are people on this forum who I genuinley believe would stick up for sex offenders on the basis they drive slower past schools. "But but but"

I think everyone is supposed to slow down outside schools I think that anyone who speeds up may require a look too?

 

[Briles]

I think everyone is supposed to slow down outside schools I think that anyone who speeds up may require a look too?

No you missed the point

 

[wingy]

No you missed the point

Sorry then I'll go back and re read it.

 

[Briles]

bit odd

Love how you chime in when it suits

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Love how you chime in when it suits

Well you made quite an odd point to be honest

 

[Briles]

Well you made quite an odd point to be honest

I aint biting. If you dont understand it then thats on you. If you do understand it and disagree then thats very very odd.

 

[wingy]

There are people on this forum who I genuinley believe would stick up for sex offenders on the basis they drive slower past schools. "But but but"

I'll have another go,if defenders of paedo's is happening are they like the maga cult over in USA?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I'll have another go,if defenders of paedo's is happening are they like the maga cult over in USA?

His comment of people defending convicted sex offenders because they refuse to smear a whole religion is just very odd.

 

[Briles]

His comment of people defending convicted sex offenders because they refuse to smear a whole religion is just very odd.

Ill get the crayons

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Ill get the crayons

Take them out your lunch box then

 

[Briles]

Take them out your lunch box then

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I already got the bite when you started using the poo emoji. Better luck next time.

 

[Briles]

I already got the bite when you started using the poo emoji. Better luck next time.

Just pandering to your games squire. You lost this one but Im always here x

 

[Briles]

I'll have another go,if defenders of paedo's is happening are they like the maga cult over in USA?

No the point was that no matter what someone does some people find a way to excuse it. The driving past schools joke is as old as time but its just a way of explaning it. Got time for you Wingy, dont get caught up in sparks nonsense. I just like to keep him on his toes

 

[Ccfcisparks]

No the point was that no matter what someone does some people find a way to excuse it. The driving past schools joke is as old as time but its just a way of explaning it. Got time for you Wingy, dont get caught up in sparks nonsense. I just like to keep him on his toes

I'm glad I have a man of your intellect keeping me sharp. How would I survive otherwise.

 

[Briles]

I'm glad I have a man of your intellect keeping me sharp. How would I survive otherwise.

Its ok mate just grab me a beer sometime

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I can’t believe what I’ve just read that the motivations of the father and son was Islam but the motivation of the hero is not Islam?

Please make this make sense someone!

 

[Briles]

I can’t believe what I’ve just read that the motivations of the father and son was Islam but the motivation of the hero is not Islam?

Please make this make sense someone!

One of them had an isis flag in the car and trained to be a terrorist and the other was just a bloke protecting his community. One was religiously motivated the other wasnt.

 

[hill83]

Well there is actually critique of Islam. I wouldn't visit never mind live in places like Saudi, Qatar, the UAE and so on, because my views on the sky wizard would get me killed. Also spoke about the hypocrisy in our leaders who will condemn attacks like this but ally themselves with the Saudis who export this ideology all over the world.

Where we differ is in leaping to smear all Muslims by the actions of these people. There was also outrage expressed by you and others at anti-Semitism in parts of the UK with significant Muslim populations, but silence when there's a poster almost directly lifting quotes out of Mein Kampf and going on about Jewish plots to run the world. It leads me to think the concerns of such people aren't sincerely held.

Tends to be pick and choose. Which is fine, own it. It’s is what is. But the snootiness when deciding to speak about people not speaking for your corner when you do the same is what seriously pisses me off. (I don’t mean you)

 

[hill83]

just curious, no need to get funny.

He was an individual acting alone. And must not be lumped into a particular group of people. Potentially even mental health related. Can’t work out why he’s afforded that benefit of the doubt. Tricky one to work out.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

He was an individual acting alone. And must not be lumped into a particular group of people. Potentially even mental health related. Can’t work out why he’s afforded that benefit of the doubt. Tricky one to work out.

Careful, you'll get called a sexual offender sympathiser in a minute!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

One of them had an isis flag in the car and trained to be a terrorist and the other was just a bloke protecting his community. One was religiously motivated the other wasnt.

I think it’s true that that could have been the case but it’s also highly likely that his Islamic faith is what makes him the person he is. Compassionate, charitable, loving, kind etc etc
Assuming it’s not is well a little bit presumptuous.
Are you thinking a ban on Islam would be a good idea

 

[Briles]

Careful, you'll get called a sexual offender sympathiser in a minute!

Thats your PD talking again aint it

 

[hill83]

I can’t believe what I’ve just read that the motivations of the father and son was Islam but the motivation of the hero is not Islam?

Please make this make sense someone!

Tbf the difference is the literal allegiance for their actions which has been reported before the action was committed.

1. Attackers - fight for my sky god
2. Bloke - Fuck are these cunts doing

Easy to get caught up in it though for wins. Yes the bloke was Muslim. It’s an easy gotcha against people attacking all Muslims for the act of a couple of bellends.

 

[chiefdave]

According to the government:

"By far the biggest terrorist threat comes from Islamist terrorism. It accounts for 67% of attacks since 2018, and about three quarters of MI5’s caseload."

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-07-24/debates/03C258B1-5D37-4875-A575-204A0BFE9766/ContestUKStrategyForCounteringTerrorism2023

I am not sure what else to tell you at this point. The population of Muslims in the UK is between 5-10% (probably closer to the latter). That is a massive overrepresentation, and clearly a huge problem.

The debate and the Contest report it references are one for this evening as I need to at least pretend I'm working!

However taking it as face value what you've posted there is a million miles away from some of the rhetoric we are hearing.

Nobody is suggesting Islamist terrorism isn't a thing, or that it isn't an issue, or that it doesn't need to be addressed.

What people have issue with is things such as branding all Muslims terrorists and talking about deporting people based solely on their religious beliefs.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Thats your PD talking again aint it

Humongous bite

 

[Briles]

I think it’s true that that could have been the case but it’s also highly likely that his Islamic faith is what makes him the person he is. Compassionate, charitable, loving, kind etc etc
Assuming it’s not is well a little bit presumptuous.
Are you thinking a ban on Islam would be a good idea

I think most religious "traits" are just humanistic. If you only do good things through a fear of reprisals in the afterlife then how good are you really? Religion doesnt have the monopoly on good. I believe he did it because hes a good person. Nothing more. A ban on all religion would be a utopia but will never happen

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The debate and the Contest report it references are one for this evening as I need to at least pretend I'm working!

However taking it as face value what you've posted there is a million miles away from some of the rhetoric we are hearing.

Nobody is suggesting Islamist terrorism isn't a thing, or that it isn't an issue, or that it doesn't need to be addressed.

What people have issue with is things such as branding all Muslims terrorists and talking about deporting people based solely on their religious beliefs.

It’s the only way though chief - ban Islam and deport or kill anyone that continues

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think most religious "traits" are just humanistic. If you only do good things through a fear of reprisals in the afterlife then how good are you really? Religion doesnt have the monopoly on good. I believe he did it because hes a good person. Nothing more. A ban on all religion would be a utopia but will never happen

Why all religion? What has the bahai faith done?
and what about communism or greed or power are we banning all things that lead to decision making that’s inhuman?
I agree and so the motivation is whatever he says it is and for us to propose it was nothing to do with his Islamic faith or everything to do with his faith is unfair.

 

[Briles]

Why all religion? What has the bahai faith done?
and what about communism or greed or power are we banning all things that lead to decision making that’s inhuman?
I agree and so the motivation is whatever he says it is and for us to propose it was nothing to do with his Islamic faith or everything to do with his faith is unfair.

Its not about what they have done its the fact people can believe something that cannot be proven and claim it as fact. Its unhealthy and not conducive to a prouctive society.

 

[hill83]

It’s not about what they have done its the fact people can believe something that cannot be proven and claim it as fact. It’s unhealthy and not conducive to a prouctive society.

It’s fine as long it doesn’t affect me or anyone else other than themselves. Even having to hear people talking about religion counts as affecting me. It’s boring.