Bondi Beach Sydney incident (17 Viewers)

[Briles]

Tbf im not sure how many times a certain idealogy can be used to commit atrocities before you are allowed to question it. If someone could enlighten me that'd be grand, just a ball park figure. Ta.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not sure you understand the concept im on about.
The Rothschilds run the world.
The Rothschilds own all the banking
The Rothschilds tell government's and kings what to do.
The Rothschilds are Jews.

Don't think they will be too bothered by a shooting in Australia.

However if they want a whole country bombed to fuck and a race of people eradicated off the face of the planet with zero fucking repercussions from the rest of the world, then thats a different matter.

The Rothschilds run the world but are also exporting Islam into non Islam countries? Pick a conspiracist lane and stick to it.

 

[mmttww]

im not sure how many times a certain idealogy can be used to commit atrocities before you are allowed to question it. If someone could enlighten me that'd be grand, just a ball park figure. Ta.

I'd say questioning any ideology that people use to justify horrific sh*t is a good thing, but not so much if you only question one and ignore the others.

 

[wingy]

The Rothschilds run the world but are also exporting Islam into non Islam countries? Pick a conspiracist lane and stick to it.

That's a new one on me, are they responsible for the boats, I reckon they could be?

 

[Briles]

I'd say questioning any ideology that people use to justify horrific sh*t is a good thing, but not so much if you only question one and ignore others.

Absolutely, the clever thing with Islam though is theyve convinced people it cant be questioned, which some people in this thread have proven. Its a shame

 

[mmttww]

Absolutely, the clever thing with Islam is theyve convinced people it cant be questioned, which some people in this thread have proven. Its a shame

Not convinced on that one. Didn't we have the most powerful country on earth implement a 'Muslim Travel Ban' not long ago? and this part of the forum probably talks about Islam and Muslims more than anything else, so the idea it can't be questioned isn't really cutting it for me.

 

[Briles]

Not convinced on that one. Didn't we have the most powerful country on earth implement a 'Muslim Travel Ban' not long ago? and this part of the forum probably talks about Islam and Muslims more than anything else, so the idea it can't be questioned isn't really cutting it for me.

On an anonymous forum though. I highly doubt many on here would out their views with their name attached

 

[SBT]

The people upset about someone using a laughing emoji in this thread are going to be really distraught when they read the pages that followed.

 

[mmttww]

On an anonymous forum though. I highly doubt many on here would out their views with their name attached

Maybe that says more about their ability to back up those views as being objective than the environment that supposedly suppresses them.

 

[chiefdave]

No I understood that I just want to know which of those worlds is ours

I just want to find the world where I've got a hot wife and city win the Champions League!

 

[Briles]

Maybe that says more about their ability to back up those views as being objective than the environment that supposedly suppresses them.

Hmmm

 

[Macca]

I just want to find the world where I've got a hot wife and city win the Champions League!

This smacks of extremism more than anything else I've read

 

[fatso]

The Rothschilds run the world but are also exporting Islam into non Islam countries? Pick a conspiracist lane and stick to it.

Your being deliberately obtuse now.

 

[PVA]

The Rothschilds aren’t even that rich compared to modern standards.

I mean, clearly they’re obscenely rich. But comparatively speaking they aren’t remotely as prominent as they used to be.

So somehow they're running the entire world but have managed to find themselves way down the rich lists?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

That’s not evidence

You would be naive though to believe it's not happening to some degree, absolutely these terrorist organisations are going to take advantage to smuggle their fighters accross along with civillians

 

[mmttww]

Your being deliberately obtuse now.

are you aware that one thing which perpetuated the conspiracy theory you're talking about was a Nazi propaganda film? Is that really a thread you want to follow and keep banging on about?

 

[fatso]

are you aware that one thing which perpetuated the conspiracy theory you're talking about was a Nazi propaganda film? Is that really a thread you want to follow and keep banging on about?

Not aware of any film.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Your being deliberately obtuse now.

Not being obtuse. You've spoken in this thread of the Muslim conspiracy to 'turn' non-Muslim countries while having previously and now again claimed that the Jews run the world and are behind everything.

How are both things true?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

⁸Absolutely, the clever thing with Islam though is theyve convinced people it cant be questioned, which some people in this thread have proven. Its a shame

Correct. Look at the direction this thread goes, and every single other one when an attack like this happens.

Very little critique of Islam, a lot of deflection, and a lot of tangents about things that aren't really that relevant. Quite a few jokes as well, as it is easier than tackling the subject.

Unfortunately many don't feel confident enough, or have the balls to challenge this religion very well, so the same patterns repeat themselves each time. Two Islamists have murdered a dozen people in the name of their religion, but you'd barely know that's what this thread is about. Same can be said for a lot of the narrative coming out from the media, it seeks to play it down and put the focus elsewhere.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Correct. Look at the direction this thread goes, and every single other one when an attack like this happens.

Very little critique of Islam, a lot of deflection, and a lot of tangents about things that aren't really that relevant. Quite a few jokes as well, as it is easier than tackling the subject.

Unfortunately many don't feel confident enough, or have the balls to challenge this religion very well, so the same patterns repeat themselves each time. Two Islamists have murdered a dozen people in the name of their religion, but you'd barely know that's what this thread is about. Same can be said for a lot of the narrative coming out from the media, it seeks to play it down and put the focus elsewhere.

And yet in the same vein you have many posters on here not willing to acknowledge the hero muslim who saved many lives. Infact people were quick to post bullshit about a man that doesnt even exist being the one who saved people.

Unfortunately many don't have the lack of pride, or the balls to admit they are wrong.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Correct. Look at the direction this thread goes, and every single other one when an attack like this happens.

Very little critique of Islam, a lot of deflection, and a lot of tangents about things that aren't really that relevant. Quite a few jokes as well, as it is easier than tackling the subject.

Unfortunately many don't feel confident enough, or have the balls to challenge this religion very well, so the same patterns repeat themselves each time. Two Islamists have murdered a dozen people in the name of their religion, but you'd barely know that's what this thread is about. Same can be said for a lot of the narrative coming out from the media, it seeks to play it down and put the focus elsewhere.

Well there is actually critique of Islam. I wouldn't visit never mind live in places like Saudi, Qatar, the UAE and so on, because my views on the sky wizard would get me killed. Also spoke about the hypocrisy in our leaders who will condemn attacks like this but ally themselves with the Saudis who export this ideology all over the world.

Where we differ is in leaping to smear all Muslims by the actions of these people. There was also outrage expressed by you and others at anti-Semitism in parts of the UK with significant Muslim populations, but silence when there's a poster almost directly lifting quotes out of Mein Kampf and going on about Jewish plots to run the world. It leads me to think the concerns of such people aren't sincerely held.

 

[Briles]

And yet in the same vein you have many posters on here not willing to acknowledge the hero muslim who saved many lives. Infact people were quick to post bullshit about a man that doesnt even exist being the one who saved people.

Unfortunately many don't have the lack of pride, or the balls to admit they are wrong.

You have to look at causality and the motives behind any act good or bad. The hero did not save people because he was a muslim he did it because he is human. The attackers hurt people because they were, or at least claimed to be, following the same ideology. Just saw under a live stream of the sentencing of the liverpool attacker someone ask "what was his religion" when no religious motive had been found. Its a weird weird world we live in

 

[mmttww]

Not aware of any film.

Might be best to dial back the chat about it then. If you want to pedal the idea that a Jewish family runs the world, you should probably know where it comes from and that it's been shown to be absolute fiction.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You have to look at causality and the motives behind any act good or bad. The hero did not save people because he was a muslim he did it because he is human. The attackers hurt people because they were, or at least claimed to be, following the same ideology. Just saw under a live stream of the sentencing of the liverpool attacker someone ask "what was his religion" when no religious motive had been found. Its a weird weird world we live in

What religion was the liverpool attacker

 

[Briles]

What religion was the liverpool attacker

Which one would you prefer? Its that one

 

[chiefdave]

Correct. Look at the direction this thread goes, and every single other one when an attack like this happens.

Very little critique of Islam, a lot of deflection, and a lot of tangents about things that aren't really that relevant. Quite a few jokes as well, as it is easier than tackling the subject.

Unfortunately many don't feel confident enough, or have the balls to challenge this religion very well, so the same patterns repeat themselves each time. Two Islamists have murdered a dozen people in the name of their religion, but you'd barely know that's what this thread is about. Same can be said for a lot of the narrative coming out from the media, it seeks to play it down and put the focus elsewhere.

I think people are happy to have a discussion on Islam. Not so much 'all Muslims want to kill us', or 'Muslims are trying to take over the world'. And I think the same would apply to any religion.

The arguments being present aren't genuine discussion points in any case. Someone posted a list of terrorist attacks implying that all terrorist attacks are undertaken by Muslims. That's not even the case in this country let alone worldwide. People don't want debate, they want to shout their point of view and label anyone who doesn't agree terrorist sympathisers.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Which one would you prefer? Its that one

just curious, no need to get funny.

 

[Briles]

I think people are happy to have a discussion on Islam. Not so much 'all Muslims want to kill us', or 'Muslims are trying to take over the world'. And I think the same would apply to any religion.

The arguments being present aren't genuine discussion points in any case. Someone posted a list of terrorist attacks implying that all terrorist attacks are undertaken by Muslims. That's not even the case in this country let alone worldwide. People don't want debate, they want to shout their point of view and label anyone who doesn't agree terrorist sympathisers.

I think its more majority in this country than all. And they tend to be the big ones. Have seen very few drive by leafleting from Jehovas witnesses for example. The ones who get the air time and cause the most damage, are Islamic fundamentalists. Its just true. Because Islam is the last word of god and shouldnt be questioned. Even after the Hebdo attacks media outlets across the world were petrified of reposting a fucking cartoon.

 

[mmttww]

and on the Islam, Muslim debate, why is it that people who want to see religious extremism being talked about consistently (i.e. actually have it talked about more) are told we're dodging an issue?

I'd bet anyone ESB and others are referring to when stuff like that is said would be consistent in their position on religious extremism, terrorism and oppression whichever sky lord is involved.

 

[Briles]

just curious, no need to get funny.

Its what I say to anyone who asks that question

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think its more majority in this country than all. And they tend to be the big ones. Have seen very few drive by leafleting from Jehovas witnesses for example. The ones who get the air time and cause the most damage, are Islamic fundamentalists. Its just true. Because Islam is the last word of god and shouldnt be questioned. Even after the Hebdo attacks media outlets across the world were petrified of reposting a fucking cartoon.

Multiple neo Nazi terror attacks have been prevented only because they weren't so clever about keeping their intentions hidden from the authorities. Taking aside that Islamic extremism is another form of far right violence of course.

 

[LarryGrayson]

just gotta have a boxing match to have a chat ha ha ha

 

[LarryGrayson]

Multiple neo Nazi terror attacks have been prevented only because they weren't so clever about keeping their intentions hidden from the authorities. Taking aside that Islamic extremism is another form of far right violence of course.

God & Country (2024) ⭐ 6.3 | Documentary

1h 30m | PG-13

www.imdb.com

 

[Briles]

Multiple neo Nazi terror attacks have been prevented only because they weren't so clever about keeping their intentions hidden from the authorities. Taking aside that Islamic extremism is another form of far right violence of course.

I want you to re read that post as if you were on the other side of the fence

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

And yet in the same vein you have many posters on here not willing to acknowledge the hero muslim who saved many lives. Infact people were quick to post bullshit about a man that doesnt even exist being the one who saved people.

Unfortunately many don't have the lack of pride, or the balls to admit they are wrong.

The actions of someone trying to stop them is heart-warming, but is largely irrelevant when we are talking about what has happened here, and that so many people have been killed. There is a bigger picture really. There are also other people who tried to stop them, and some of which lost their lives, and they haven't had a mention because they aren't Muslim.

Hero couple tried to stop gunman before being killed in Bondi attack

Boris Gurman, 69, "charged straight towards the danger" and grabbed one of the attacker's guns, a witness says.

www.bbc.com

I know you are often trolling with your posts, but most of the replies since I have posted have largely carried on the pattern of trying to jump to the defence of a religion which is quite backwards and doesn't really fit into a modern and progressive society. I understand the notion that we should not smear everyone, and that is fair enough, but we have just seen multiple killed in a terrorist attack, by an ideology which is hugely overrepresented in these kind of attacks. Muslims make up barely over 3% of the population in Australia, but are responsible for 75% of terrorist attacks, or more. The focus on playing that down is just disappointing really. We go round the houses because it has become taboo.