Immigration and Asylum (2 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Keir Starmer does in official announcements and his performative patriotism fools no one. His MPs paint a different picture and they are the ones that will be knocking on doors for votes come the next election.

A Google search gets specific examples, but this gives a decent summary of the current state of play:

Keir Starmer faces discontent as Labour MPs reject union jack election flyers

Exclusive: Members say flag may alienate ethnic minority voters as some associate it with far right

www.theguardian.com

All flag waving is performative though isn't it?

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Grendel's point was that people hoist flags in public spaces aren't of the UK/home nations. Are they engaging in 'divisive' or 'intimidating' behaviour, if not, why? That's a curious double standard.

The whole business of erecting the Union Jack was in part a response to councils taking down the home nations flags whilst allowing Palestine (and others) flags to stand.

Our flags, particularly the Union Jack, is one of the most inclusive out there.

Well it’s the Union flag when not at sea
Also it wasn’t it was to exert some kind of ownership

 

[ccfcno9]

Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit, the profit falling to

Private insurance companies
Private healthcare providers

You don't think its like that already then.
Your Doctors surgery's are pretty much private enterprise's fund by the government under NHS banner.
Dentist's are similar.
The pharmacy at UNHCW was run by Lloyds corporate company working for profit with shareholders. Now another corporate runs it.
The hospital itself is a trust.
The booking system for blood tests is swift queue.
Need I say more

 

[fernandopartridge]

You don't think its like that already then.
Your Doctors surgery's are pretty much private enterprise's fund by the government under NHS banner.
Dentist's are similar.
The pharmacy at UNHCW was run by Lloyds corporate company working for profit with shareholders. Now another corporate runs it.
The hospital itself is a trust.
The booking system for blood tests is swift queue.
Need I say more

Yes, for some reason I'm very very familiar with it

 

[Ian1779]

When he gets in the first thing that should happen is she gets put in jail, a truly awful piece of work and a terrible human being

Absolute fucking snowflake.

 

[ccfcno9]

Yes, for some reason I'm very very familiar with it

Would this be a more accurate statement?

Farage would love IMO (@fernandopartridge), like the current and previous governments that all heath services to be provided for profit, the profit falling to

Private insurance companies
Private healthcare providers

Or is your rhetoric just to diss Reform who is yet to be tested of what he may or may not achieve. I don't know myself but am willing to try somebody else.

 

[LarryGrayson]

try summat else vote loony just in case they do a good job

 

[ccfcno9]

try summat else vote loony just in case they do a good job

Do you have learning difficulties ?
14 years of Tories didn't fair that well.
14 years practice/preparing and 16 months in government Labour not looking that great either.
To be far to Farage whether you wanted Brexit or not he doggedly campaigned for years on end to achieve it without relent. He may just have a solution.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Do you have learning difficulties ?
14 years of Tories didn't fair that well.
14 years practice/preparing and 16 months in government Labour not looking that great either.
To be far to Farage whether you wanted Brexit or not he doggedly campaigned for years on end to achieve it without relent. He may just have a solution.

He doesn’t
Brexit wasn’t a solution

 

[PVA]

To be far to Farage whether you wanted Brexit or not he doggedly campaigned for years on end to achieve it without relent. He may just have a solution.

Given how awful Brexit has been, I'm not sure putting the man who campaigned so strongly to damage his own country into number 10 is the smart solution everyone thinks it is to solve all our problems.

It's mad how little he gets held to account for his role in the state of the country today. The fact he's potentially the next PM is absolutely mind boggling. He's very good at what he does, to be fair to him.

 

[LarryGrayson]

Do you have learning difficulties ?

yes mate i c**t always write the words i see in my head lick there supposed to be do you have any problems i only arsk cos voting for summat just because its diffrent ant the anser farage just picks on the weak and uses excuse after excuse and he dont offer the answers and if it goes wrong lick brexit he blames others he dont own it himself his a weasel

 

[ccfcno9]

yes mate i c**t always write the words i see in my head lick there supposed to be do you have any problems i only arsk cos voting for summat just because its diffrent ant the anser farage just picks on the weak and uses excuse after excuse and he dont offer the answers and if it goes wrong lick brexit he blames others he dont own it himself his a weasel

Apologies no offence meant, but I've never seen 'Summat' written before, I'll since learnt that it is mostly used in northern dialect, that and Loony in one sentence had me confused. I'll try to be more sensitive to one line reply's in future. Each point of view is valid in any debate.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I got told it was woke to suggest having the Union flag on corners at football grounds

Who said that?

All flag waving is performative though isn't it?

No, I don’t think it is and to make a generic statement that goes beyond the immigration debate… the civic culture of the UK as a whole needs rejuvenating.

In the context of 20-30 years of mass migration, unifying symbols and stories of the nation are much more important than before. How do you take disparate ethnic, cultural, histories and unite that society? The course of action isn’t clear.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He doesn’t
Brexit wasn’t a solution

With respect, Brexit has changed surprisingly little and if you think everything would be fine and dandy, perhaps look at what is actually going on in continental Europe.

Think Reform is bad? Look at Le Pen’s party, the AfD and who’s polling well in the Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Austria and so on.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

With respect, Brexit has changed surprisingly little and if you think everything would be fine and dandy, perhaps look at what is actually going on in continental Europe.

Think Reform is bad? Look at Le Pen’s party, the AfD and who’s polling well in the Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Austria and so on.

Brexit was a betrayal of an idea and an aspiration
It changed everything

 

[Grendel]

yes mate i c**t always write the words i see in my head lick there supposed to be do you have any problems i only arsk cos voting for summat just because its diffrent ant the anser farage just picks on the weak and uses excuse after excuse and he dont offer the answers and if it goes wrong lick brexit he blames others he dont own it himself his a weasel

Getting silly now

 

[rob9872]

Yes, for some reason I'm very very familiar with it

Assume you work for UHCW? I did my training with your CEO, not seen him for years other than on tv, but was a good lad back when I knew him. Always knew he was destined to go far.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Good job Samir Zitounis family were allowed in. Brave man

 

[fernandopartridge]

Assume you work for UHCW? I did my training with your CEO, not seen him for years other than on tv, but was a good lad back when I knew him. Always knew he was destined to go far.

No, I don't work for them. I don't live in Cov.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Algerian born Muslims are ok too

 

[SBT]

Today in ‘Is this really what we want in the UK’ news

LA father separated from toddler by federal agents outside Home Depot: Here's why

In response, DHS said the suspect threw rocks at law enforcement while wielding a hammer with his child in the car. They added the operation resulted in the arrest of five undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Guatemala.

www.foxla.com

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Today in ‘Is this really what we want in the UK’ news

LA father separated from toddler by federal agents outside Home Depot: Here's why

In response, DHS said the suspect threw rocks at law enforcement while wielding a hammer with his child in the car. They added the operation resulted in the arrest of five undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Guatemala.

www.foxla.com

Some yes majority no

 

[rob9872]

Today in ‘Is this really what we want in the UK’ news

LA father separated from toddler by federal agents outside Home Depot: Here's why

In response, DHS said the suspect threw rocks at law enforcement while wielding a hammer with his child in the car. They added the operation resulted in the arrest of five undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Guatemala.

www.foxla.com

So this time as it suits the race baiting narrative you don't want to wait for the facts to emerge?

The other side (as yet unfounded and unproven), said the below:

"During a targeted immigration enforcement operation, a U.S. citizen exited his vehicle WIELDING A HAMMER and THREW ROCKS at law enforcement while he had a child in his car. He was arrested for assault and during his arrest a pistol was found in his car that was reported stolen out of the state of New York. The individual has an active warrant for property damage. We refuse to apologize for enforcing the law. The operation resulted in the arrest of 5 [undocumented immigrants] from Mexico and Guatemala who were all breaking our nation’s immigration laws. Their criminal histories include DUI, driving without a license, and previous removal, which is a felony."

Now as I say, unfounded allegations at this stage (and we know this USA ICE movement are cunts who go ott), but if that were true, then absolutely we would want the law to take action in the UK, wouldn't you?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So this time as it suits the race baiting narrative you don't want to wait for the facts to emerge?

The other side (as yet unfounded and unproven), said the below:

"During a targeted immigration enforcement operation, a U.S. citizen exited his vehicle WIELDING A HAMMER and THREW ROCKS at law enforcement while he had a child in his car. He was arrested for assault and during his arrest a pistol was found in his car that was reported stolen out of the state of New York. The individual has an active warrant for property damage. We refuse to apologize for enforcing the law. The operation resulted in the arrest of 5 [undocumented immigrants] from Mexico and Guatemala who were all breaking our nation’s immigration laws. Their criminal histories include DUI, driving without a license, and previous removal, which is a felony."

Now as I say, unfounded allegations at this stage (and we know this USA ICE movement are cunts who go ott), but if that were true, then absolutely we would want the law to take action in the UK, wouldn't you?

Sure, we don't want to see law enforcement officials attacked like that. We also don't want to see masked goons snatching whoever they want and targeting specific communities in which to do it.

We don't know what the circumstances were for this person, but if masked goons came and tried to snatch friends of yours and bundle them into the back of a van, you wouldn't do nothing presumably?

 

[PVA]

I would like to see proof of the hammer wielding and rock throwing.

Because they have form for massively over egging things to justify their actions.

Previously they accused some people of ATTACKING OFFICERS WITH EXPLOSIVES which makes you think they were lobbing petrol bombs or something horrendous, but actually they were just lighting some fireworks in the street.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I would like to see proof of the hammer wielding and rock throwing.

Because they have form for massively over egging things to justify their actions.

Previously they accused some people of ATTACKING OFFICERS WITH EXPLOSIVES which makes you think they were lobbing petrol bombs or something horrendous, but actually they were just lighting some fireworks in the street.

If they were wearing body cams it shouldn't be difficult to verify. But these are masked criminals who know full well what they're doing.

 

[mmttww]

it's basically this but with worse outfits and no LOLs.

 

[chiefdave]

If they were wearing body cams it shouldn't be difficult to verify. But these are masked criminals who know full well what they're doing.

Amazes me nobody has been shot yet. a country where everyone seems to be armed and you're allowing masked people not in any identifiable uniform or vehicle to go round grabbing people off the street. Recipe for disaster.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Amazes me nobody has been shot yet. a country where everyone seems to be armed and you're allowing masked people not in any identifiable uniform or vehicle to go round grabbing people off the street. Recipe for disaster.

Funnily enough they have rocked up and started brandishing their firearms in some places. Only ever in cities that are politically opposed to Trump of course.

 

[rob9872]

I would like to see proof of the hammer wielding and rock throwing.

Because they have form for massively over egging things to justify their actions.

Previously they accused some people of ATTACKING OFFICERS WITH EXPLOSIVES which makes you think they were lobbing petrol bombs or something horrendous, but actually they were just lighting some fireworks in the street.

Agree and I'd like to see evidence of it too as I don't necessarily believe it. I was more at the angle of the usual 'wait for the facts' line until it isn't the case.

 

[rob9872]

Sure, we don't want to see law enforcement officials attacked like that. We also don't want to see masked goons snatching whoever they want and targeting specific communities in which to do it.

We don't know what the circumstances were for this person, but if masked goons came and tried to snatch friends of yours and bundle them into the back of a van, you wouldn't do nothing presumably?

I acknowledged the methods were wrong and that ICE are cunts, my point was more about if those facts were true, then all bets are off and he'd have deserved whatever was coming to him, it was a response to 'is this what we want in the UK' with as yet no corroboration from either side available.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I acknowledged the methods were wrong and that ICE are cunts, my point was more about if those facts were true, then all bets are off and he'd have deserved whatever was coming to him, it was a response to 'is this what we want in the UK' with as yet no corroboration from either side available.

Fair enough

 

[ccfc1292]

Algerian released prisoner rearrested... a 3 minute walk away from the other one....

That's not in anyway suspicious at all? The prisons are 48 miles apart, why would they both go to the same area?

 

[wingy]

Algerian released prisoner rearrested... a 3 minute walk away from the other one....

That's not in anyway suspicious at all? The prisons are 48 miles apart, why would they both go to the same area?

Saw a video from a I guess citizen reporter or could have been a mainstream one, first guy going back in, popping out for a fag during the process, systems a joke,do you suspect a link to someone or,collusion of some sort, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point, media input or anything?

 

[ccfc1292]

Saw a video from a I guess citizen reporter or could have been a mainstream one, first guy going back in, popping out for a fag during the process, systems a joke,do you suspect a link to someone or,collusion of some sort, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point, media input or anything?

Well for 2 prisoners to be released almost 50 miles apart and end up a 3 minute walk away from the spots they are both arrested? Has to be in the millions to one to happen surely?

If I was them, I wouldn't have headed to the CCTV capital of the world, so for both to head to nearly the same destination is really weird. Something in that area that would help them perhaps?