Transfer Rumour 25/26 Summer Transfer Window (23 Viewers)

[pusbccfc]

I don't want to go on about it like some that have been negative on everything all summer and there's little point in repeating how disappointed you are every 2 minutes in slightly different ways but I do want to pick up on one point here..

I don't think it's clear we needed to sell somebody at all. Even before Sheaf went we knew we'd bid on Hughes and Godo. If we're conservative and go lower end let's say £12 mil for the pair. Then we sold Sheaf. You're talking over £15 mil of transfer funds that were available to the manager going unspent I would think. Something fell down on the recruitment side, no question at all.

We would have found money for him if they bid was accepted but it would have added pressure to sell an asset in January.

We had long spent the Vik/Hamer money. Look at the business we did last summer and in Jan.

I agree with the final point, I don't think it went perfectly. They will be frustrated not to get one or two more bodies in. However, I think they'll be happy with the outgoings. I doubt anyone expected us to get as much as £6.5m+ for Sheaf. Similarly, the money for Binks.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't want to go on about it like some that have been negative on everything all summer and there's little point in repeating how disappointed you are every 2 minutes in slightly different ways but I do want to pick up on one point here..

I don't think it's clear we needed to sell somebody at all. Even before Sheaf went we knew we'd bid on Hughes and Godo. If we're conservative and go lower end let's say £12 mil for the pair. Then we sold Sheaf. You're talking over £15 mil of transfer funds that were available to the manager going unspent I would think. Something fell down on the recruitment side, no question at all.

I agree, but I think not having loans in our back pocket should the permanents not have happened was bizarre. Defence is now OK personnel wise, but we’ve left ourselves hoping for no injuries in basically all the other positions because we haven’t loaned anyone in further up the pitch.

Whiffs of Mowbray.

 

[PVA]

When injuries, suspensions and being knackered hit, our bench looks like this...

Wilson
Bidwell
Allen
Lati
Andrews
Perry
Batanwi
Struggling with this last one (maybe Betjemann - seems like the most senior of the U21 players left)

This is the thing, people seem to be ignoring it's a long season and are assuming that the current squad stays fit throughout.

We've been asking for more squad depth for years.

Towards the end of last season we had Burroughs and Isaac Moore on the bench, plus Bassette, Raphael and Paterson (not all at the same time!).

Granted it's the end of the season when injuries start to accumulate and you need the strength in depth, so hopefully we can get to January relatively unscathed on the injury front.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

I don't want to go on about it like some that have been negative on everything all summer and there's little point in repeating how disappointed you are every 2 minutes in slightly different ways but I do want to pick up on one point here..

I don't think it's clear we needed to sell somebody at all. Even before Sheaf went we knew we'd bid on Hughes and Godo. If we're conservative and go lower end let's say £12 mil for the pair. Then we sold Sheaf. You're talking over £15 mil of transfer funds that were available to the manager going unspent I would think. Something fell down on the recruitment side, no question at all.

While there probably have been shortcomings in our planning, I also think this window was tougher than most.

The fees sides were paying for what really was massively average talent was strange, as were the rumoured price tags of targets we were heavily interested in.

That would've likely caught King off guard. He has to see the value when bringing in players - he's said that from day one - and you only have to look as far as the Godo or Hughes deals to realise this window was a bit absurd.

Once again, I'm not really sure why we didn't dip into the loan market.

I sat in on a box holders and directors box evening before the season started where he spoke of the Rushworth and he made no secret of the fact loans were challenging due to fees often involved as well as the commitment we have to show in terms of promising game time etc. So perhaps that had a hand in it.

 

[Matt smith]

We would have found money for him if they bid was accepted but it would have added pressure to sell an asset in January.

We had long spent the Vik/Hamer money. Look at the business we did last summer and in Jan.

I agree with the final point, I don't think it went perfectly. They will be frustrated not to get one or two more bodies in. However, I think they'll be happy with the outgoings. I doubt anyone expected us to get as much as £6.5m+ for Sheaf. Similarly, the money for Binks.

It definitely means there should be no excuses come January to refresh the squad if needed

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My favourite part was the combined wisdom saying godo not good enough for us before he left for £7m lol

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

While there probably have been shortcomings in our planning, I also think this window was tougher than most.

The fees sides were paying for what really was massively average talent was strange, as were the rumoured price tags of targets we were heavily interested in.

That would've likely caught King off guard. He has to see the value when bringing in players - he's said that from day one - and you only have to look as far as the Godo or Hughes deals to realise this window was a bit absurd.

Once again, I'm not really sure why we didn't dip into the loan market.

I sat in on a box holders and directors box evening before the season started where he spoke of the Rushworth and he made no secret of the fact loans were challenging due to fees often involved as well as the commitment we have to show in terms of promising game time etc. So perhaps that had a hand in it.

Perhaps, but wide attacking players would have had a lot of minutes for us. Centre midfield a harder argument granted.

 

[shmmeee]

Really?

Everyone wants our season in the sun but most people have had the best 5 years supporting the club. It's great going up to the CBS with a full house and good match day experience. For me, I want to be competitive and have exciting seasons. The PL may happen, it may not.

I don't want us to go silly and gamble on automatic promotion. I certainly wouldn't change owning the stadium for promotion this season.

Who owns the stadium makes no difference to my experience supporting CCFC. Premier League money, disregarding anything else, sets the club up for years. The only advantage I’ve heard of owning the stadium is it increases revenue so we have a bigger credit line, which we’d only need to get promoted.

Championship football isn’t sustainable sadly. Even with 29k crowds we will lose millions each year. I’d love to stay here and have fun with proper fans but after 10 years or so without promotion you’re looking at a situation not far off the one that brought Sisu here in the first place. Or you’re hoping someone with silly cash comes in and gives you another 10 years.

The way the game is set up we have to go for promotion.

 

[StrettoBoy]

I reckon the key problems we faced were (a) other clubs not being prepared to sell the players we wanted (Charlie Hughes being the most obvious example) and (b) the market being significantly inflated, no doubt due in part to Birmingham and Wrexham.

Apart from at full back we haven’t added any depth or real quality at all and we are weaker in midfield, up front and arguably on the wings.

I just hope that our key players can avoid serious injuries.

 

[Speedie's Head]

Once again, I'm not really sure why we didn't dip into the loan market.

Got his fiingers burnt with Rushworth already this summer

 

[TomRad85]

https://eflanalysis.com/transfers/every-deal-completed-on-transfer-deadline-day-in-the-championship/

If anyone was interested in what other clubs in our league did on deadline day, here it is.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Perhaps, but wide attacking players would have had a lot of minutes for us. Centre midfield a harder argument granted.

Perhaps, although many do expect their player to be starting the majority of games. It possibly could've been more of a loan fee issue then.

Unfortunately, for anyone even half decent, a PL club is going to demand a fee, a reality which I get the impression King has an issue with, especially if it's for a player which in reality isn't necessarily considerably better than what we already have.

 

[Hobo]

Perhaps, but wide attacking players would have had a lot of minutes for us. Centre midfield a harder argument granted.

Minutes probably wouldn't satisfy the parent club or justify the loan fee.

 

[SkyBluePower]

I agree, it's really poor.

I think they will just say it’s a fast moving and fluid situation and nothing is done until it’s done. It wasn’t ideal but clearly there was a reason we kept radio silence.
The club for their part have stopped the leaks and so can’t really be blamed for the batshit rumours flying about that they didn’t acknowledge or encourage.

 

[stupot07]

Minutes probably wouldn't satisfy the parent club or justify the loan fee.

The response justifying why Lampard didn't make subs earlier on Saturday was that Sakamoto wasn't fit and there isn't anyone on the bench that can change a game or added any better /different attacking quality.

Nothing has changed.

 

[stevefloyd]

We have 3 absolute top quality centre backs. Top 6 material. Lats as back up isnt bad at all.

Whilst I admire your optimism I wouldn't say Thomas and Kitching are top quality with the amount of fuck ups costing goals, our achilles heel last season and the start of this season is that our defence isn't very good, I think the Wolfs in for a few lessons to give out on the fly!!

 

[clint van damme]

Who owns the stadium makes no difference to my experience supporting CCFC. Premier League money, disregarding anything else, sets the club up for years. The only advantage I’ve heard of owning the stadium is it increases revenue so we have a bigger credit line, which we’d only need to get promoted.

Championship football isn’t sustainable sadly. Even with 29k crowds we will lose millions each year. I’d love to stay here and have fun with proper fans but after 10 years or so without promotion you’re looking at a situation not far off the one that brought Sisu here in the first place. Or you’re hoping someone with silly cash comes in and gives you another 10 years.

The way the game is set up we have to go for promotion.

That's the only advantage you can think of to owning the stadium?
I'd say not playing home games in Northampton, Birmingham or Burton is also one.

 

[stevefloyd]

The response justifying why Lampard didn't make subs earlier on Saturday was that Sakamoto wasn't fit and there isn't anyone on the bench that can change a game or added any better /different attacking quality.

Nothing has changed.

Absolutely agree, I actually posted before a sub was made saying who would you bring on...not a lot of choice to be fair

 

[Hobo]

I am more in the camp of signing the right players, rather than signing someone we can all get excited about only to be thoroughly disappointed in by the end of the season. It isn't always easy landing your targets. It can also take more than one window to get them done.

I think Sheaf was an unseen late bid, but with his injury record and contract it was an offer we couldn't ignore. Also I think it was clear Sheaf wanted to go and we probably owed him that move.

 

[ccfc1234]

Glass half full the squad could be flexible covering a number of positions and be:

GK: Rushworth/Wilson
LB: JDS, Bidwell, Brau
RB: MVE, KKH
CB: Wolf, Kitching, Thomas, Lati, Bidwell (emergency)
Midfield: Grimes, Allen, Rudi, Eccles, Torp, Lati (emergency)
LW: EMC, Brau, BTA, Wright
RW: Saka, BTA, KKH, Rudi (emergency)
ST: Wright, Simms, BTA

Looking at that squad flexibility it's actually not that bad.

 

[CCFCSteve]

My favourite part was the combined wisdom saying godo not good enough for us before he left for £7m lol

Then probably moaning that we didn’t buy him

Will be interested to see how the young lads get on in league one. Shows we’re in a better place depth wise in short/medium (not immediate) term than people realise. Andrews was probably earmarked at that level as well before sheaf went.

Are we a couple light, yeah, if we pick up injuries. We’ve got something like 18-19 games til Jan window. We’ve got a better squad than a year ago in terms of direct replacements and lads coming through even if total numbers maybe dont reflect that. If key men like wright, Rudoni, grimes and maybe Kitching (or Woolf if as good as hoped) stay fit, we should be fine.

These are still exciting times

 

[Hobo]

The response justifying why Lampard didn't make subs earlier on Saturday was that Sakamoto wasn't fit and there isn't anyone on the bench that can change a game or added any better /different attacking quality.

Nothing has changed.

Lampard just isn't quick to use subs. You bring any player on late in the game and the lack of minutes they have limits their ability to make an impact, no matter who they are.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Glass half full the squad could be flexible covering a number of positions and be:

GK: Rushworth/Wilson
LB: JDS, Bidwell, Brau
RB: MVE, KKH
CB: Wolf, Kitching, Thomas, Lati, Bidwell (emergency)
Midfield: Grimes, Allen, Rudi, Eccles, Torp, Lati (emergency)
LW: EMC, Brau, BTA, Wright
RW: Saka, BTA, KKH, Rudi (emergency)
ST: Wright, Simms, BTA

Looking at that squad flexibility it's actually not that bad.

Allen is past it and Lati in at CM is emergency territory. Grimes’ fitness record is excellent though and Eccles is fine to deputise. My concern is out wide.

 

[Matt smith]

Allen is past it and Lati in at CM is emergency territory. Grimes’ fitness record is excellent though and Eccles is fine to deputise. My concern is out wide.

Eccles hopefully kicks on again under Lampard

 

[Viktor17]

Now dust has settled a little , guess got to look at big picture.

stadium the most important purchase, ever. But does feel like a little step back/stagnate on pitch to go forward in future. Wonder what Lampard thinks on that, given he will want here and now.

sheaf and Rapha moves in isolation best for both, however the lack of replacements is bizzare and has now left us very short. We must must be planning to use KKH and Brau as backup wings.

be intersting what @Jimmy87 has heard, it wasn’t for want of trying, I’m pretty sure we tried for Smallbone from small snippet I heard , not sure in what capacity but obviously went to Millwall. frustrating we have been left really short on wings, Lampard can’t be happy.

we really need to cross our fingers until Jan injury and suspension wise.

International break come at right time!

 

[Samueljames1991]

Why does everyone have KKH as a winger surely you would play MVE there instead?

 

[SBT]

Comms from admin were indeed very poor.

They show a lack of understanding of how fans actually behave on that final day of the window.

I doubt the club even recognise it. The fan representative forum that meets with King should mention it as part of the feedback on fan experience. It’s an easy quick win.

Can you give an example of a club who got the comms right? Our comms seemed pretty typical to me, not sure what the uproar is about.

 

[HJones23]

Why does everyone have KKH as a winger surely you would play MVE there instead?

Caveat this has come from Transfermarkt so isn't always the most reliable source;

KHH



MVE

 

[PVA]

 

[Nick]

I think it says Right Mid for wing backs?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Caveat this has come from Transfermarkt so isn't always the most reliable source;

KHH

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MVE

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the right midfielder in that scenario is a wingback in a back 5 not as a rw in a 433

 

[shmmeee]

Caveat this has come from Transfermarkt so isn't always the most reliable source;

KHH

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MVE

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Right midfield on TM is also RWB so it’s hard to read much from.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

My thoughts on this are we've done a total 180. We're no longer very reactionary. Before we'd have sold our captain and then scrambled around in a panic looking for a free replacement, and take whatever is available.

Doug and our recruitment team appear to be slow off the mark when a change happens outside the plan. Which begs the question - how does our recruitment team work, There should be a list of 5/6 players to replace every player in our squad in the event of a sale.

On top of that Doug appears to fancy himself as Daniel Levy Mk2, so every thing in a transfer appears to be meticulous. I don't doubt that selling Sheaf was the best thing for all parties, but to not have a replacement for our captain is just madness.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

My thoughts on this are we've done a total 180. We're no longer very reactionary. Before we'd have sold our captain and then scrambled around in a panic looking for a free replacement, and take whatever is available.

Doug and our recruitment team appear to be slow off the mark when a change happens outside the plan. Which begs the question - how does our recruitment team work, There should be a list of 5/6 players to replace every player in our squad in the event of a sale.

On top of that Doug appears to fancy himself as Daniel Levy Mk2, so every thing in a transfer appears to be meticulous. I don't doubt that selling Sheaf was the best thing for all parties, but to not have a replacement for our captain is just madness.

See imo CM isn’t that bad. Grimes will replace sheaf in the starting line up as he has done for a while. Torp is brilliant atm and Eccles is decent cover. Allen can be counted on for at least a defensive shift.

Plus Andrews developing and getting minutes. More the wings I’m worried about. I know Rapha hasn’t been brilliant and will benefit massively from a loan but without a option we’ve made our wings very bare imo

 

[Ccfcisparks]

See imo CM isn’t that bad. Grimes will replace sheaf in the starting line up as he has done for a while. Torp is brilliant atm and Eccles is decent cover. Allen can be counted on for at least a defensive shift.

Plus Andrews developing and getting minutes. More the wings I’m worried about. I know Rapha hasn’t been brilliant and will benefit massively from a loan but without a option we’ve made our wings very bare imo

I think Rudoni will play in the number 8 a few times this year.

Its a shame we have nobody coming up through the academy aged 17/18 who can make a real impact in attack.